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  • feltdizz
    Legend
    • May 2008
    • 26993

    Its time to trade TJ

    and not because he deserves to win something.

    Its because he isn’t dependable down the stretch and he would get us a decent return that would help fill some holes or could get us enough draft capital to move up for a QB.

    Sure, he probably wins 3 games a year for us
    early in the season but we know how it ends.

    it probably will never happen because he is the face of the defense but in the clutch this defense just isn’t that good.

    Steelers 27
    Rats 16
  • brothervad
    Pro Bowler
    • Dec 2008
    • 1910

    #2
    You and I discussed this here at least a year or 2 ago. Even back then I thought you made some valid points. I think it had to do mainly the amount of money tied up to too few player(s).

    This season it feels like there has been a slight drop off in his play.

    Honestly I would prefer depth (very good, good, average in the depth chart vs Great, average, under-average if you will).

    Just feel like it's time...but like Tomlin he ain't going anywhere.

    The continuing belief that they are close will continue to permeate throughout that organization.

    brothervad

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    • Buzz
      Legend
      • Dec 2017
      • 8190

      #3
      Now is the time to deal him
      while some team will still give up a lot of draft capital
      don't wait another year or his value will likely drop considerably

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      • Northern_Blitz
        Legend
        • Dec 2008
        • 23538

        #4
        I think anyone should be available for trade if the price is high enough.

        But there's no chance this happens.

        TJ probably wins 1-2 games for us a year.

        And season ticket sales plummet if we trade him. Because it's the clearest signal possible that we'd be tanking. Which is something I don't think Rooney will ever do.

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        • Flasteel
          Hall of Famer
          • May 2008
          • 3887

          #5
          I see the logic in what you are presenting, but I'm not down with it. There are certain players who you do not let go of and he's one of them.

          A hard no for me. Build up the D-line and secondary around him.
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          • hackjam
            Starter
            • Sep 2021
            • 867

            #6
            Originally posted by Northern_Blitz
            I think anyone should be available for trade if the price is high enough.

            But there's no chance this happens.

            TJ probably wins 1-2 games for us a year.

            And season ticket sales plummet if we trade him. Because it's the clearest signal possible that we'd be tanking. Which is something I don't think Rooney will ever do.
            Certainly a fair point. Playing out that angle, I think I'd still be hesitant to extend him unless it was a super team-friendly deal. We've seen them move on from a player of that caliber before in Rod Woodson (caveat: I am not old enough to remember all of the circumstances and context around that).

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            • Prowler
              Pro Bowler
              • Apr 2010
              • 1812

              #7
              I would add Highsmith and Minkah to the list of players that I would consider trading if we get some high value draft capital in return.

              I'm not saying to trade all three but we should at least examine any trading proposals if it will benefit us in the long run. Quite frankly we have tons of areas we can improve upon.








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              • Buzz
                Legend
                • Dec 2017
                • 8190

                #8
                Originally posted by Prowler
                I would add Highsmith and Minkah to the list of players that I would consider trading if we get some high value draft capital in return.

                I'm not saying to trade all three but we should at least examine any trading proposals if it will benefit us in the long run. Quite frankly we have tons of areas we can improve upon.
                I think we have to look at these options.

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                • Northern_Blitz
                  Legend
                  • Dec 2008
                  • 23538

                  #9
                  Originally posted by hackjam

                  Certainly a fair point. Playing out that angle, I think I'd still be hesitant to extend him unless it was a super team-friendly deal. We've seen them move on from a player of that caliber before in Rod Woodson (caveat: I am not old enough to remember all of the circumstances and context around that).
                  I don't like big 3rd contracts.

                  But I think there is no way that he won't get one.

                  Maybe it won't make him the most expensive defensive player in the league. But I think it probably will.

                  There's no way he over performs that contract. But he will likely be worth the money in at least the first 2 years.

                  I understand the argument against (won't deliver cap value). But you can't replace an elite player (which he still is) with multiple average players.

                  And the NFL is an ad and ticket selling business. I would be OK if the team decided to trade away the present for the future and tank to try to get a QB in the 2026 draft. But I can't see Rooney doing that given how the team has been run for multiple generations.

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                  • WindyCitySteel
                    Legend
                    • Nov 2011
                    • 15044

                    #10
                    Absolutely, 100%

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                    • steeler_fan_in_t.o.
                      Legend
                      • May 2008
                      • 9915

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Prowler
                      I would add Highsmith and Minkah to the list of players that I would consider trading if we get some high value draft capital in return.

                      I'm not saying to trade all three but we should at least examine any trading proposals if it will benefit us in the long run. Quite frankly we have tons of areas we can improve upon.
                      I don't think Highsmith is a trade candidate. The dead cap is over $16M and first year savings under $2M. Also, if you trade Watt, the cupboard is bare enough, but you can enter next year with Highsmith and Herbig on the edge.

                      I agree with TJ and Minkah at the right price because of the return they'd bring. Minkah is still a heavy dead cap hit ($13.7M) but saves over $8M in '25 and removes the big $24.4M cap number for '26. I don't even think a first is needed. I'd be willing to go second and fourth for him. He's still only 28 years old and will be available for two years at a decent number to the new team ($15.5M & $17.6M). Watt is 30 and entering the last year of his deal. Steelers eat over $9M but save over $21M, which is a nice number for the acquiring team. I'd like a first and another pick. I'm even happy for the other pick to be next year, which is trade capital in case you want to move up for a QB in '26.
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                      • LPMAN
                        Pro Bowler
                        • Sep 2021
                        • 1801

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Northern_Blitz

                        I don't like big 3rd contracts.

                        But I think there is no way that he won't get one.

                        Maybe it won't make him the most expensive defensive player in the league. But I think it probably will.

                        There's no way he over performs that contract. But he will likely be worth the money in at least the first 2 years.

                        I understand the argument against (won't deliver cap value). But you can't replace an elite player (which he still is) with multiple average players.

                        And the NFL is an ad and ticket selling business. I would be OK if the team decided to trade away the present for the future and tank to try to get a QB in the 2026 draft. But I can't see Rooney doing that given how the team has been run for multiple generations.
                        We went through this debate with Harrison & Troy. IF we would have traded both them in 2011/12 offseason after losing Tebow playoff game for draft picks used on defense, maybe we would have had an elite defense to go alomg with Ben, AB & Bell ?

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                        • feltdizz
                          Legend
                          • May 2008
                          • 26993

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Northern_Blitz
                          I think anyone should be available for trade if the price is high enough.

                          But there's no chance this happens.

                          TJ probably wins 1-2 games for us a year.

                          And season ticket sales plummet if we trade him. Because it's the clearest signal possible that we'd be tanking. Which is something I don't think Rooney will ever do.
                          not if we used Watt’s picks to move up and get a premium pick in round 1.

                          I know it would upset some fans but lets say we moved up into the top 10 to draft an elite playmaker, I think fans would get over it quickly.

                          I just think the old way of doing things isn’t working and we have to get aggressive instead of looking for cheap value to fill holes while playing top dollar for an aging player.
                          Last edited by feltdizz; 01-14-2025, 01:04 PM.
                          Steelers 27
                          Rats 16

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                          • Northern_Blitz
                            Legend
                            • Dec 2008
                            • 23538

                            #14
                            Originally posted by LPMAN

                            We went through this debate with Harrison & Troy. IF we would have traded both them in 2011/12 offseason after losing Tebow playoff game for draft picks used on defense, maybe we would have had an elite defense to go alomg with Ben, AB & Bell ?
                            As I said, I understand the argument.

                            And I think there is no way that Rooney OKs it.

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                            • Flasteel
                              Hall of Famer
                              • May 2008
                              • 3887

                              #15
                              This is what Watt has to say about the prospect of leaving the Steelers:

                              “I’ve put so much into it here,” Watt said. “I want to help Cam Heyward get to where we need to get. I want to be part of the solution. I don’t want to leave this place. I love the people here. That goes beyond just the coaches. It’s the fan base. It’s the people, the community. We owe it to them to get it right.”

                              This is who you build around. Not unceremoniously dump him for a couple of first rounders and a bag of donuts. I don't care how logical it might sound or how tempting it might be to get a couple of top draft picks. I'm not throwing rocks at anyone who wants to trade Watt because I can plainly see their reasoning. I'm just sayin' no whay Jose'.
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