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  • feltdizz
    Legend
    • May 2008
    • 26988

    Genius or Failure.. turns out it was a failure after all.

    and I reserve the right to change my opinion based on these last 5 games. I was all in at 10-3 and just knew Tomlin and company made all the right moves. It all fell apart in a familiar and predictable fashion.

    its time folks.

    This isn't a talent issue. it's a coaching issue. Sutton over Trice? Why?
    Mike Williams getting limited targets and Patterson and Pruitt getting touches? Why?
    Paying Muth 12 Mill per year? Is that really a good investment given our struggles and stubbornness on offense?

    and lets not get started on this defense. Just terrible playoff defense and its happening every year. Over paid old heads who can't seem to make a play to save their lives once the light are the brightest.

    Its time to get honest about a Tomlin coached team in the playoffs. Its not good. Not good at all. It's actually becoming comically bad. I was a huge Tomlin supporter over the years and folks think this is all about Pickett but it's more than that. When we need a win, we can't get a win. When we need the team to step up, they fall short. Now all we are is a team who can win games in the regular season UNTIL THEY MATTER.

    and what is sad is if we won last night I had friends who were going to roast me for my views of Tomlin now, but even if we won, a wildcard W should not be an I TOLD YOU SO moment for a Steeler fan.

    It's over folks.. unless we move up to get a QB who turns out to be Brady or Lamar we aren't going to win a damn thing with Tomlin anymore.. besides 9 or 10 games of course.
    Steelers 27
    Rats 16
  • Prowler
    Pro Bowler
    • Apr 2010
    • 1811

    #2
    It's hilarious that it took you this long to come to that realization. Meanwhile, you gaslighted people for years who opposed Tomlin. I bet NO apologies will ever come from you. It's just the way you are.








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    • whatever
      Legend
      • Sep 2019
      • 5467

      #3
      Originally posted by Prowler
      It's hilarious that it took you this long to come to that realization. Meanwhile, you gaslighted people for years who opposed Tomlin. I bet NO apologies will ever come from you. It's just the way you are.
      Lol, I was going to post the exact same thing.
      I was called a non fan. Told to follow another team. I was set up to get banned and called/insinuated a racist for years now.
      How is it possible to have the best owner, best front office, best gm, best HC, good/great drafts every year and good FA acquisitions every year, but only have 3 playoff wins in 14 years?

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      • skyhawk
        Hall of Famer
        • Dec 2008
        • 3714

        #4
        Yes where are the apologies from the Tomlin nuthuggers these last TEN years?

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        • feltdizz
          Legend
          • May 2008
          • 26988

          #5
          I think those of us admitting its over are conceding defeat. Not sure what else needs to be said. We are grown men, no one needs flowers and candy on here.

          Some of us needed to see the losses before admitting Tomlin couldn’t get it done.

          I’m willing to admit Tomlin aint it anymore and needs a change of scenery.
          Steelers 27
          Rats 16

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          • Eich
            Legend
            • Jul 2010
            • 6842

            #6
            Sad thing is, I’m not sure we really know if the QB room dump experiment was genius or failure. I think Russ and Fields both, could very well be better than we showcased them to be. We SUCK at offense. And it feels like it’s because of Tomlin’s stupid, outdated, conservative approach.

            i’m sure Tomlin will have some arrogant response to reporters in the coming months because, “that’s why he’s highly-compensated”
            Last edited by Eich; 01-12-2025, 04:10 PM.

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            • feltdizz
              Legend
              • May 2008
              • 26988

              #7
              Originally posted by Eich
              Sad thing is, I’m not sure we really know if the QB room dump experiment was genius or failure. I think Russ and Fields both, could very well be better than we showcased them to be. We SUCK at offense. And it feels like it’s because of Tomlin’s stupid, outdated, conservative approach.

              i’m sure Tomlin will have some arrogant response to reporters in the coming months because, “that’s why he’s highly-compensated”
              Its wild that Tomlin was a WR but wants an offense where he doesn’t throw the ball.

              How can you evaluate a QB if you won’t open things up?




              Steelers 27
              Rats 16

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              • Joel Buchsbaum
                Legend
                • Jan 2021
                • 7365

                #8
                Originally posted by feltdizz
                and I reserve the right to change my opinion based on these last 5 games. I was all in at 10-3 and just knew Tomlin and company made all the right moves. It all fell apart in a familiar and predictable fashion.

                its time folks.

                This isn't a talent issue. it's a coaching issue. Sutton over Trice? Why?
                Mike Williams getting limited targets and Patterson and Pruitt getting touches? Why?
                Paying Muth 12 Mill per year? Is that really a good investment given our struggles and stubbornness on offense?

                and lets not get started on this defense. Just terrible playoff defense and its happening every year. Over paid old heads who can't seem to make a play to save their lives once the light are the brightest.

                Its time to get honest about a Tomlin coached team in the playoffs. Its not good. Not good at all. It's actually becoming comically bad. I was a huge Tomlin supporter over the years and folks think this is all about Pickett but it's more than that. When we need a win, we can't get a win. When we need the team to step up, they fall short. Now all we are is a team who can win games in the regular season UNTIL THEY MATTER.

                and what is sad is if we won last night I had friends who were going to roast me for my views of Tomlin now, but even if we won, a wildcard W should not be an I TOLD YOU SO moment for a Steeler fan.

                It's over folks.. unless we move up to get a QB who turns out to be Brady or Lamar we aren't going to win a damn thing with Tomlin anymore.. besides 9 or 10 games of course.
                It took you a while, but you finally are seeing things logically. KUDOS to you. It takes a grown up man to admit a huge mistake.

                Get rid of Tomlin and draft a QB in round one or two. Then we have a chance to win a playoff game. I said a chance. Otherwise this team is effed.

                Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game in seven years and counting. The earliest will be eight years. I guess that in Art Rooney's II, opinion is worth a 3 year extension.

                Our 2024 draft looks to be grade A. Our 2023 draft is an A. The roster is talented, but Mike Tomlin is still the head coach.

                *** Mike Tomlin is the best coach since the AFL- NFL merger that has not won a playoff game in 8 seasons or more. It's either him or Lewis. ***

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                • Prowler
                  Pro Bowler
                  • Apr 2010
                  • 1811

                  #9
                  Originally posted by feltdizz
                  I think those of us admitting its over are conceding defeat. Not sure what else needs to be said. We are grown men, no one needs flowers and candy on here.

                  Some of us needed to see the losses before admitting Tomlin couldn’t get it done.

                  I’m willing to admit Tomlin aint it anymore and needs a change of scenery.
                  I'm NOT going to let you off the hook that easily. What kind of a person would make a false statement about me saying that I threatened other posters on these forums. That person is you. All because you didn't like my opinions about Tomlin.

                  I haven't forgotten what you did. I could have been swatted by the police and arrested because of you! But of course you being the evil jerk that you are you couldn't even apologize for your lie.

                  I
                  Last edited by Prowler; 01-12-2025, 06:37 PM.








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                  • whatever
                    Legend
                    • Sep 2019
                    • 5467

                    #10
                    Originally posted by feltdizz
                    I think those of us admitting its over are conceding defeat. Not sure what else needs to be said. We are grown men, no one needs flowers and candy on here.

                    Some of us needed to see the losses before admitting Tomlin couldn’t get it done.

                    I’m willing to admit Tomlin aint it anymore and needs a change of scenery.
                    Im willing to bet if the roles were reversed , you’d be adamant about chasing all of us down and demanding we admit being wrong about Tomlin and want an apology. If we didn’t, you’d never let it go.
                    Last edited by whatever; 01-12-2025, 07:37 PM.
                    How is it possible to have the best owner, best front office, best gm, best HC, good/great drafts every year and good FA acquisitions every year, but only have 3 playoff wins in 14 years?

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                    • Buzz
                      Legend
                      • Dec 2017
                      • 8186

                      #11
                      Did anyone catch Tomlin's remarks from after the WC game? Sounded like he was laying the blame for the loss pretty much all on the offense. Don't misunderstand, I think the offense was putrid in the first half (again). But the defense (Tomlin's baby) sucked just as bad. Year after year, the D doesn't show up for a playoff game. But you know who will never really take responsibility for that.

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                      • NorthCoast
                        Legend
                        • Sep 2008
                        • 25596

                        #12
                        “I’m just doing what the game plan asked for,” said Watt when asked about his role and why the run defense faltered in a big way. “That’s all I’ll say.”
                        All that needs to be said.....

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                        • Starlifter
                          Legend
                          • May 2008
                          • 5012

                          #13
                          here's another tidbit to consider when evaluating the steelers collapse (again) this season.

                          This is a team that had 5 million out of a 250(ish) million cap committed to the QB. They had money to burn if used effectively.

                          but they got manhandled by a ravens team that has a huge part of their cap going to lamar. Yet somehow, they are able to construct a good O-line, smothering defense - and oh yeah, pick up Derek Henry.

                          coaching and management are just as important as play on the field.

                          and that's been the consistent factor for the last 18 years. I'm so over doing the same thing again. But here we are.......
                          2014 MNF EXEC CHAMPION!!!

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                          • Northern_Blitz
                            Legend
                            • Dec 2008
                            • 23529

                            #14
                            I think it's both talent and coaching. Probably also an organizational philosophy issue, which I think is why we're coached so conservatively. I think our goal is make the playoffs and hope to catch lightning in a bottle. I think this is why be build and coach teams the way we do. But it only works with a marquee QB (just like any other strategy in the NFL).

                            It's a talent issue too. Is there a good choice between Sutton and Trice? Trice was getting toasted all day against the Bengals. And that was when he was on the outside. He's not built to be a slot CB. We knew going into the season that slot CB was an issue. It looked like we'd solved the CB2 problem we've had for a while, but Jackson was bad and injured down the stretch. He's a UFA...so now we'll have to choose between (1) resigning him, (2) trusting Trice on the outside next season, and (3) signing another UFA replacement.

                            Distribution of touches is an issue. Anyone over Van Jefferson (likely the worst WR2 in the league this year...probably for a while). Patterson was garbage on offense and in the return game. And was hilariously complaining on Twitter that he didn't get any touches in the playoffs. What about the touches you had in the regular season makes you think you should get touches in the playoffs? He should have been removed from offensive plans months ago. We need another good WR. Probably have to draft two and hope that other-R.Wilson becomes something.

                            I think we need to start trying to be more aggressive on offense. But I also think the reason we don't is that it goes against the organization goal of trying to make the playoffs every year. Hopefully Rooney can loosen the reins on the / Tomlin can push for a more open offense. If not, it looks to me like we'll be trapped in this Bills-like loop (from Kelly to Allen) where we'll be not good enough to do anything but compete for a playoff spot and not do anything with it. And not bad enough to pick early to get the big difference makers (especially at QB).

                            I think the best we can hope for in the offseason is Smith gets hired away as a HC, we resign Fields, and we bring in an OC who crafts an offense for him. I really don't want to spend a bunch of cap space on Russ. Seems like he's a two trick pony (better than Kenny who could only throw back-shoulder) and teams figured it out after a few games.

                            If Smith doesn't get a HC job, I still hope that we resign Fields. Maybe his offense would look a lot different if he was designing it specifically for Fields. Since this year it was pretty clear Russ was going to be the starter from the moment he signed.

                            Unfortunately, we need to rebuild the offense and defense at the same time now. Which doesn't seem good to me.

                            4 weeks ago, I was thinking we'd spend big money on Watt, Wilson, and Pickens this offseason. Now I'm thinking only Watt (still the face of the franchise / main season ticket seller). Will be interesting to see how

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                            • Northern_Blitz
                              Legend
                              • Dec 2008
                              • 23529

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Buzz
                              Did anyone catch Tomlin's remarks from after the WC game? Sounded like he was laying the blame for the loss pretty much all on the offense. Don't misunderstand, I think the offense was putrid in the first half (again). But the defense (Tomlin's baby) sucked just as bad. Year after year, the D doesn't show up for a playoff game. But you know who will never really take responsibility for that.
                              Makes sense. It's embarrassing to lose by getting run on so easily.

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