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  • Joel Buchsbaum
    Legend
    • Jan 2021
    • 7365

    Steelers that need to be shown the door. Right now.


    Steelers that need to be shown the door. Right now.



    1. Mike Tomlin. How do you say I was not up to standard in the last eight seasons? I'm sure he can say it better than me.

    2. Russel Wilson. He plays in his fears for 3 quarters and only risks passing the ball when the game is all but over. He is easy to sack and does not see the field.

    3. Najee Harris. The opposite of a dynamic running back. A boat anchor to our running game.

    4 . Dan Moore. Lead the NFL in sacks given up. Weak at he point of attack.

    5. Teryl Austin. Miscast as our DC.

    6. Art " Canada " Smith. Nuff said.


    Others:


    Cameron Sutton. Get this man who can not play off the team, and I hope he keeps his hands off women. He is a disgrace on and off the field.


    Need more info. Art Rooney II. I say it is time to move on, and pass the torch to his son.


    Promotions:

    Dan Rooney jr to the main owner

    Andy Weidl to GM: Promote him or lose him.
    Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game in seven years and counting. The earliest will be eight years. I guess that in Art Rooney's II, opinion is worth a 3 year extension.

    Our 2024 draft looks to be grade A. Our 2023 draft is an A. The roster is talented, but Mike Tomlin is still the head coach.

    *** Mike Tomlin is the best coach since the AFL- NFL merger that has not won a playoff game in 8 seasons or more. It's either him or Lewis. ***
  • Terrapin
    Pro Bowler
    • Sep 2017
    • 2051

    #2
    A few more to add:

    I'm not sure of his exact salary, but you can put a scarecrow out there and get the same production as Minkah for a lot cheaper.

    Every WR except Pickens needs to go. And the only reason I want Pickens to stay is I just bought my son a jersey for Christmas. Jefferson, Williams, Skoronik (or whatever the hell his name is), Scotty Miller (is he even still on the team?). If Austin is your 3 he can stay I guess. BTW, didn't we draft a WR in like the 3rd round last year? How f'n bad is he that he can't see a single snap all season?

    TJ, thanks for the memories, but it's over bud. Kahn needs to be shopping him.

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    • NorthCoast
      Legend
      • Sep 2008
      • 25596

      #3
      It is a bit disturbing that the players said the gameplan was specifically designed to focus on stopping Henry, and yet Henry gashed them for almost 200 yds. That is a defense getting owned.

      DL is a mess sans Heyward. Larry O was getting pushed around like he was on roller skates. Adams is a practice squadder that somehow gets on the field. Loudermilk should have been cut a couple of seasons ago. I mean, how long do you give a player to actually show something? They need a Hampton in the middle in the worst way if they expect to compete against BAL's run offense.

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      • T.Ferguson
        Pro Bowler
        • Sep 2021
        • 2346

        #4
        I'd try to put together the first ever trade of an entire coaching staff either to Vegas or Jets, then see if I can re-sign Wilson to a friendly deal. Get an offensive minded head coach. Make sure the HC is ok with actually adjusting gameplans instead of running the same exact gameplan every game. Playoff win here we come, finally.

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        • Joel Buchsbaum
          Legend
          • Jan 2021
          • 7365

          #5
          Originally posted by NorthCoast
          It is a bit disturbing that the players said the gameplan was specifically designed to focus on stopping Henry, and yet Henry gashed them for almost 200 yds. That is a defense getting owned.

          DL is a mess sans Heyward. Larry O was getting pushed around like he was on roller skates. Adams is a practice squadder that somehow gets on the field. Loudermilk should have been cut a couple of seasons ago. I mean, how long do you give a player to actually show something? They need a Hampton in the middle in the worst way if they expect to compete against BAL's run offense.


          We have some good DL players. Heyward is still very good and Benton is close to being that. Larry O will be cheaply replaced nest year. He is our weak link. We could use another anchor to the line.

          We play nickle and dime too often only to be over powered when the opposing offense switches personnel. Anyone see the problem?

          I see major problems with Roberts and Queen in coverage and getting off blocks vs. the run. P Wilson is okay vs the run and good vs. the pass.

          Most of the men ( not Heyward ) basically quit on Tomlin. Coaching is to blame.

          Our strategy and tactics SUCK. If our rush ends are doing the job, put in the best run defenders. DUH.

          So how do we right ship? We do not trade or part ways with Watt or Fitz. Get some new coaches! Use free agency to plug the in the cheap holes, but the 2025 draft is for the offense.










          Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game in seven years and counting. The earliest will be eight years. I guess that in Art Rooney's II, opinion is worth a 3 year extension.

          Our 2024 draft looks to be grade A. Our 2023 draft is an A. The roster is talented, but Mike Tomlin is still the head coach.

          *** Mike Tomlin is the best coach since the AFL- NFL merger that has not won a playoff game in 8 seasons or more. It's either him or Lewis. ***

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          • hackjam
            Starter
            • Sep 2021
            • 863

            #6
            I'd trade Watt at this point, frankly. He's going into the last year of his contract and he turns 31 in October. He's an incredible player when healthy but he's not going to be a difference maker on the next great Steelers team and the falloff is inevitable. Harrison, Porter, Lloyd, Gildon... They were all cooked by age 32.

            But I fully expect that they'll extend him and pay for past performance in the process.

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            • Blitzer
              Pro Bowler
              • Nov 2022
              • 1069

              #7
              Meyer has to go. DC has to go.

              Moore and Harris are free agents they gone

              Trade TJ? a few years ago I would laugh at this. now? he deserves a chance at a ring. that is not happening here. Trade him for a 1st and get a CB or DL

              Nothing changes until the top changes. either get rid or Tomlin or force him to get out of the gameplans.

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              • Northern_Blitz
                Legend
                • Dec 2008
                • 23529

                #8
                Originally posted by NorthCoast
                It is a bit disturbing that the players said the gameplan was specifically designed to focus on stopping Henry, and yet Henry gashed them for almost 200 yds. That is a defense getting owned.

                DL is a mess sans Heyward. Larry O was getting pushed around like he was on roller skates. Adams is a practice squadder that somehow gets on the field. Loudermilk should have been cut a couple of seasons ago. I mean, how long do you give a player to actually show something? They need a Hampton in the middle in the worst way if they expect to compete against BAL's run offense.
                Yep.

                Our run D has been super-ugly without Heyward for years. But since the offense has been even worse, we've tried to use premium picks there. Which means we haven't been able to cut Larry O because there are no other DL. This has to be the 1st or 2nd pick this year IMO.

                But I think we also need at least 1 (probably 2) WRs fairly early.

                And we'll need at least a time share RB.

                I hope that our UFA period got cheaper, because I think we should be trying to extend Fields over Wilson.

                The D needs new blood. But sadly the O does too (even though it's already very young).

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                • Northern_Blitz
                  Legend
                  • Dec 2008
                  • 23529

                  #9
                  Originally posted by hackjam
                  I'd trade Watt at this point, frankly. He's going into the last year of his contract and he turns 31 in October. He's an incredible player when healthy but he's not going to be a difference maker on the next great Steelers team and the falloff is inevitable. Harrison, Porter, Lloyd, Gildon... They were all cooked by age 32.

                  But I fully expect that they'll extend him and pay for past performance in the process.
                  I get the thinking here.

                  But I think there's a 0% chance the team does this.

                  Watt sells season tickets. And since we'll be a huge question mark going into next season (again), he's the guy on the cover of the program.

                  Maybe they can think about trading Minkah. But I doubt they do that either. I'd be much more open to that move though.

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                  • hackjam
                    Starter
                    • Sep 2021
                    • 863

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Northern_Blitz

                    I get the thinking here.

                    But I think there's a 0% chance the team does this.

                    Watt sells season tickets. And since we'll be a huge question mark going into next season (again), he's the guy on the cover of the program.

                    Maybe they can think about trading Minkah. But I doubt they do that either. I'd be much more open to that move though.
                    I'm with you. Never going to happen... I'm just very much at a point where I think they need to do something dramatically different if their goal is to achieve success on the football field.

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                    • Northern_Blitz
                      Legend
                      • Dec 2008
                      • 23529

                      #11
                      Originally posted by hackjam

                      I'm with you. Never going to happen... I'm just very much at a point where I think they need to do something dramatically different if their goal is to achieve success on the football field.
                      I think they define success as making it to the playoffs as many times as possible. And hoping they can peak at the right time in a 4 game single-elimination tournament.

                      It's been this way since I started watching them in Noll's last year.

                      While the playoff games have been really, really hard to watch I think this is what they define as successful.

                      And I think that's exactly why Tomlin coaches the team the way he does. I think the main incentive that his employer gives him is "make the playoffs as many years as possible".

                      I think we've been doing this attempt at re-loading vs. rebuilding since Shazier got hurt. And it maybe even made sense at the end of Ben's career. But right now, we don't seem to have a 'good' side of the ball.

                      The D is aging out.

                      And most of the young "talent" we got on offense doesn't look good.

                      And we don't really have a QB.

                      I think that's bad to really bad for the short to medium term.

                      So...I get the idea of trading Watt and breaking the team down to build it back up.

                      But I think it's contrary to the team's business model.
                      Last edited by Northern_Blitz; 01-12-2025, 02:22 PM.

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                      • Flasteel
                        Hall of Famer
                        • May 2008
                        • 3885

                        #12
                        I don't favor firing Tomlin. I would be cool with trading him for a couple of Number One picks, but not simply firing him and watching him be scooped up by another team the same day. If they are going to do this (which I doubt), they better work quickly while the rest of the top candidates are still available.

                        Russell Wilson was not the difference maker we were all thinking he could be just a few weeks ago. That said, what are the possible replacement targets the Steelers have? Trade up to draft Shedeur Sanders or Cam Ward? Stay put and draft the best QB that falls to them? Try to outbid the Vikings for Sam Darnold? Kirk Cousins? There is no legitimate better option for this team than to try and keep both Wilson and Fields and let them battle it out. If someone has a better plan at QB, please put it out there.

                        I love Najee Harris and would not be opposed to bringing him back on a reasonable salary. I would also not be opposed to letting him walk and finding a more dynamic option to pair with Warren (who is also a free agent). If Najee does walk, then this opens up the need to invest in significant draft capitol, since there isn't a higher rated free agent running back expected to be available.

                        I really like what I saw in limited action from Mike Williams and don't think he was used to his potential. Then again, what receivers were? It felt more like scheme and a lack of protection that doomed the passing game more than any other factor. There is a glut of expected free agents at the position, however, and it I think it would be wise to add a known playmaker opposite Pickens.

                        As far as players go, I'd say the biggest problem with the offense was the line. I thought they actually did a good job early in the year as they adjusted to injuries on the fly. But they just seemed to get worse as the year went on. Dan Moore definitely needs to walk and we better hope Broderick Jones is a better player in his natural LT spot and Fautanu can be an upgrade at RT. I was impressed by the rookie starters, but I'm not sure McCormick is any kind of improvement over Daniels. Despite all of the injuries and shuffling, this unit regressed and disappointed. I hate calling for anyone's job, but there needs to be another change in the OL coach.

                        Despite the offense stinking up the joint for the better part of the past five weeks, the downfall of the 2024 Steelers was the defense. I will argue that the offense would have been good enough this year had it been complemented by a better defense. They somehow became a shell of themselves as the season unfolded with no real significant injuries to use as an excuse. Tomlin is the primary architect and play-caller with this unit, so unless he's traded or steps down, I don't see a lot of change coming. But there should be.

                        Teryl Austin should be let go and every single position coach should be scrutinized. Rooney should demand a new DC that can bring innovative concepts to this team and utilize what talent they do have. Tomlin needs to take his hands off the steering wheel and let someone else drive. The defense was a failure at each level. Aside from Cam, the defensive line collapsed down the stretch. There was very little pass rush generated by four supremely talented pass rushers and receivers regularly ran wide open through the secondary.

                        TJ Watt was a non-factor for the last five weeks and Minkah has largely been a non-factor for the past two years. The stars are no longer producing and there was no significant second year improvement from Porter, Benton, or any other young players outside of maybe Herbig. Elliott wound up being the only decent FA pickup on defense, as Queen was a ghost who was on the field for 99% of all defensive plays, and Jackson ultimately sucked down the stretch.

                        There needs to be a fresh infusion of talent on defense - particularly up front and in the secondary. I don't see the Steelers cutting Fitzpatrick or Queen and for as much sense as it might make, I cannot get on board with trading Watt. I like Herbig and Highsmith, but do not want to see them as the bookend rushers, with maybe Smith behind them. That leaves potential upgrades where Ogunjobi, Adams, Loudermilk, Roberts, Kazee, Jackson, and Pierre all reside.

                        While it feels like there should be a lot of change, I'm not seeing too many realistic opportunities for more than that.
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                        • pfelix73
                          Hall of Famer
                          • Aug 2008
                          • 3435

                          #13
                          Originally posted by T.Ferguson
                          I'd try to put together the first ever trade of an entire coaching staff either to Vegas or Jets, then see if I can re-sign Wilson to a friendly deal. Get an offensive minded head coach. Make sure the HC is ok with actually adjusting gameplans instead of running the same exact gameplan every game. Playoff win here we come, finally.
                          LOL. I guess you do not realize that Tomlin has a 'NO TRADE' clause in his contract as reported earlier. It would have to be a mutual agreement.

                          As much as I'd like to see an offensive minded HC in Pitt, it just isn't going to happen in 2025. Sorry folks.

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                          • whatever
                            Legend
                            • Sep 2019
                            • 5467

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Flasteel
                            I don't favor firing Tomlin. I would be cool with trading him for a couple of Number One picks, but not simply firing him and watching him be scooped up by another team the same day. If they are going to do this (which I doubt), they better work quickly while the rest of the top candidates are still available.

                            Russell Wilson was not the difference maker we were all thinking he could be just a few weeks ago. That said, what are the possible replacement targets the Steelers have? Trade up to draft Shedeur Sanders or Cam Ward? Stay put and draft the best QB that falls to them? Try to outbid the Vikings for Sam Darnold? Kirk Cousins? There is no legitimate better option for this team than to try and keep both Wilson and Fields and let them battle it out. If someone has a better plan at QB, please put it out there.

                            I love Najee Harris and would not be opposed to bringing him back on a reasonable salary. I would also not be opposed to letting him walk and finding a more dynamic option to pair with Warren (who is also a free agent). If Najee does walk, then this opens up the need to invest in significant draft capitol, since there isn't a higher rated free agent running back expected to be available.

                            I really like what I saw in limited action from Mike Williams and don't think he was used to his potential. Then again, what receivers were? It felt more like scheme and a lack of protection that doomed the passing game more than any other factor. There is a glut of expected free agents at the position, however, and it I think it would be wise to add a known playmaker opposite Pickens.

                            As far as players go, I'd say the biggest problem with the offense was the line. I thought they actually did a good job early in the year as they adjusted to injuries on the fly. But they just seemed to get worse as the year went on. Dan Moore definitely needs to walk and we better hope Broderick Jones is a better player in his natural LT spot and Fautanu can be an upgrade at RT. I was impressed by the rookie starters, but I'm not sure McCormick is any kind of improvement over Daniels. Despite all of the injuries and shuffling, this unit regressed and disappointed. I hate calling for anyone's job, but there needs to be another change in the OL coach.

                            Despite the offense stinking up the joint for the better part of the past five weeks, the downfall of the 2024 Steelers was the defense. I will argue that the offense would have been good enough this year had it been complemented by a better defense. They somehow became a shell of themselves as the season unfolded with no real significant injuries to use as an excuse. Tomlin is the primary architect and play-caller with this unit, so unless he's traded or steps down, I don't see a lot of change coming. But there should be.

                            Teryl Austin should be let go and every single position coach should be scrutinized. Rooney should demand a new DC that can bring innovative concepts to this team and utilize what talent they do have. Tomlin needs to take his hands off the steering wheel and let someone else drive. The defense was a failure at each level. Aside from Cam, the defensive line collapsed down the stretch. There was very little pass rush generated by four supremely talented pass rushers and receivers regularly ran wide open through the secondary.

                            TJ Watt was a non-factor for the last five weeks and Minkah has largely been a non-factor for the past two years. The stars are no longer producing and there was no significant second year improvement from Porter, Benton, or any other young players outside of maybe Herbig. Elliott wound up being the only decent FA pickup on defense, as Queen was a ghost who was on the field for 99% of all defensive plays, and Jackson ultimately sucked down the stretch.

                            There needs to be a fresh infusion of talent on defense - particularly up front and in the secondary. I don't see the Steelers cutting Fitzpatrick or Queen and for as much sense as it might make, I cannot get on board with trading Watt. I like Herbig and Highsmith, but do not want to see them as the bookend rushers, with maybe Smith behind them. That leaves potential upgrades where Ogunjobi, Adams, Loudermilk, Roberts, Kazee, Jackson, and Pierre all reside.

                            While it feels like there should be a lot of change, I'm not seeing too many realistic opportunities for more than that.
                            Why would Tomlin getting scooped up on day one bother you?
                            How is it possible to have the best owner, best front office, best gm, best HC, good/great drafts every year and good FA acquisitions every year, but only have 3 playoff wins in 14 years?

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                            • hawaiiansteel
                              Legend
                              • May 2008
                              • 34748

                              #15
                              We save over $20 million against the cap next season releasing Larry Ogunjobi, Isaac Seumalu and Cole Holcomb.

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