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  • hawaiiansteel
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    • May 2008
    • 34764

    #61
    Originally posted by WindyCitySteel

    Soooo close. It’s the guy telling all of his QBs to avoid the MOF to minimize risk.
    Pfft, Russell Wilson avoided using the MOF way before he ever was coached by Mike Tomlin.

    But yeah, it's Tomlin's fault.

    Obviously.

    The news that QB Russell Wilson is meeting with the Pittsburgh Steelers has captured the attention of just about everybody. Pittsburgh’s need for competent quarterback play is well-documented. The question is whether Wilson can provide that spark in conjunction with offensive coordinator Arthur Smith to take the Steelers to the next level. After all, he […]

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    • NorthCoast
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      • Sep 2008
      • 25614

      #62
      Nothing we didn't know here but puts it in black and white.

      Wilson is 47-87 in 1st quarter pass attempts, averaging 4.5 yds/att.

      But, in the last month of football he is 11-26, averaging 3.5 yds/att in the first quarter. I mean, that looks like a rushing stat line. It's just not good enough to win against good teams.

      Analyst Notes Disturbing Trend For Steelers During 4-Game Losing Streak

      The Pittsburgh Steelers need to get off to a stronger start to games.
      Their offense has usually needed plenty of time to get going.
      And while their defense has usually made big adjustments and gotten the job done in the second half, they’ve been caught playing catch-up way too often this season.
      That has been the case during their four-game losing streak as well.
      As Ray Fittipaldo shows on X, the Steelers have been outscored 40-3 in the first quarter during the losing streak.

      He also points out that the team ranked No. 29 in the league in first-quarter scoring, averaging just 2.8 points across the regular season.
      The Steelers know the Baltimore Ravens, but that’s a two-way street.

      John Harbaugh’s team is also pretty familiar with their tendencies.
      Of course, defense will be key, and slowing down Lamar Jackson and Derrick Henry could make or break this team on Saturday.
      Then again, the defense can only do so much if the offense doesn’t keep the chains in motion.

      Russell Wilson is a proven veteran and had some glimpses of his former play this season.

      However, he needs to be more consistent and, more importantly, hit the ground running with a strong start.

      Mike Tomlin is much better at managing games and controlling the tempo than he is at playing catch-up.

      This team might not have the offensive talent to keep up with the Ravens if it gets into a big hole early in the game.​

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      • Eich
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        • Jul 2010
        • 6843

        #63
        This offense is so bad in the 1st quarter and even 1st half. It's like they're desperate to play the smashmouth game and insist on waiting until it fails for most of the first half before they start doing what works against the defense they're up against. After 18 weeks, they still don't have an identity other than to start slow with an atrocious script.

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        • WindyCitySteel
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          • Nov 2011
          • 15044

          #64
          Originally posted by hawaiiansteel

          Pfft, Russell Wilson avoided using the MOF way before he ever was coached by Mike Tomlin.

          But yeah, it's Tomlin's fault.

          Obviously.

          https://steelersdepot.com/2024/03/ti...-for-steelers/
          Ben used the MOF until he didn’t. The 2018 turnover meltdown broke Tomlin, he’s avoided MOF ever since.

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          • NorthCoast
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            • Sep 2008
            • 25614

            #65
            When you have a QB that has problems with this;

            Sometimes, when watching tape, an idea forms in your head. But the eye test doesn’t always tell the story. That’s why this site was built on marrying tape and statistics. We don’t shun the data, and we definitely don’t turn our noses up at the film. Both have their place, and the best information comes […]


            then add in a QB not using the MOF, I guess every OC is going to end up looking a lot like Canada. Is there a QB out there that doesn't have obvious holes in their games that the Steelers might draft?

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            • Captain Lemming
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              • Jun 2008
              • 15963

              #66
              Originally posted by Ghost
              17 points or less in these last 4 games. Beyond terrible. And this actually goes back to Fichtner. Maybe Tomlin is calling the plays.
              Who was OC the only time the Steelers had the number one red zone defense?
              Who was the head coach when Ben had the most TD passes in franchise history?

              Hint? You just named him Ghost.
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              In view of the fact that Mike Tomlin has matched Cowhers record I give him the designation:

              TCFCLTC-
              The Coach Formerly Considered Less Than Cowher

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              • Captain Lemming
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                • Jun 2008
                • 15963

                #67
                Just asked ChatGPT the question, “in what season did the Steelers score the most offensive touchdowns?“

                Answer?

                The Pittsburgh Steelers scored their highest number of offensive touchdowns in a single season during the 2018 NFL season. That year, quarterback Ben Roethlisberger set a franchise record with 34 passing touchdowns.

                In addition to Roethlisberger’s passing achievements, the team’s rushing attack contributed significantly. Running back James Conner led the ground game with 12 rushing touchdowns, stepping up in the absence of Le’Veon Bell.

                Combining these passing and rushing touchdowns, the Steelers amassed a total of 50 offensive touchdowns in the 2018 season, marking their highest offensive output in franchise history.

                This offensive prowess was complemented by standout performances from wide receiver Antonio Brown, who led the team with 15 receiving touchdowns, further enhancing the Steelers’ scoring capabilities that season.
                Last edited by Captain Lemming; 01-09-2025, 02:07 AM.
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                In view of the fact that Mike Tomlin has matched Cowhers record I give him the designation:

                TCFCLTC-
                The Coach Formerly Considered Less Than Cowher

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                • WindyCitySteel
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                  • Nov 2011
                  • 15044

                  #68
                  Originally posted by Captain Lemming
                  Just asked ChatGPT the question, “in what season did the Steelers score the most offensive touchdowns?“

                  Answer?

                  The Pittsburgh Steelers scored their highest number of offensive touchdowns in a single season during the 2018 NFL season. That year, quarterback Ben Roethlisberger set a franchise record with 34 passing touchdowns.

                  In addition to Roethlisberger’s passing achievements, the team’s rushing attack contributed significantly. Running back James Conner led the ground game with 12 rushing touchdowns, stepping up in the absence of Le’Veon Bell.

                  Combining these passing and rushing touchdowns, the Steelers amassed a total of 50 offensive touchdowns in the 2018 season, marking their highest offensive output in franchise history.

                  This offensive prowess was complemented by standout performances from wide receiver Antonio Brown, who led the team with 15 receiving touchdowns, further enhancing the Steelers’ scoring capabilities that season.
                  Yep, the passing game was awesome that year, but after the season collapsed under the weight of late-season turnovers, Tomlin said something to the effect of having to fix the turnover problem and manage risk better.

                  Then we started trading up for LBs, selling top draft picks for defenders, drafting ball control RBs and TEs, and redlining half the playbook.

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                  • NorthCoast
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                    • Sep 2008
                    • 25614

                    #69
                    Originally posted by WindyCitySteel

                    Yep, the passing game was awesome that year, but after the season collapsed under the weight of late-season turnovers, Tomlin said something to the effect of having to fix the turnover problem and manage risk better.

                    Then we started trading up for LBs, selling top draft picks for defenders, drafting ball control RBs and TEs, and redlining half the playbook.
                    Rudolph leaves PIT and becomes a MOF passing demon.....

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                    • Buzz
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                      • Dec 2017
                      • 8190

                      #70
                      Fittipaldo says it's Tomlin, not Smith, dictating the offense we're running

                      Over the last five years, which includes the last couple seasons with Ben Roethlisberger, the Pittsburgh Steelers have played an extremely conservative brand of football on offense. Run the football, avoid the turnovers, and throw outside the numbers. This general strategy has been a staple of their approach. That includes the span of three different […]

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                      • Northern_Blitz
                        Legend
                        • Dec 2008
                        • 23538

                        #71
                        Originally posted by Captain Lemming
                        Just asked ChatGPT the question, “in what season did the Steelers score the most offensive touchdowns?“

                        Answer?

                        The Pittsburgh Steelers scored their highest number of offensive touchdowns in a single season during the 2018 NFL season. That year, quarterback Ben Roethlisberger set a franchise record with 34 passing touchdowns.

                        In addition to Roethlisberger’s passing achievements, the team’s rushing attack contributed significantly. Running back James Conner led the ground game with 12 rushing touchdowns, stepping up in the absence of Le’Veon Bell.

                        Combining these passing and rushing touchdowns, the Steelers amassed a total of 50 offensive touchdowns in the 2018 season, marking their highest offensive output in franchise history.

                        This offensive prowess was complemented by standout performances from wide receiver Antonio Brown, who led the team with 15 receiving touchdowns, further enhancing the Steelers’ scoring capabilities that season.
                        What about chat-WINDY?

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                        • Northern_Blitz
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                          • Dec 2008
                          • 23538

                          #72
                          Originally posted by WindyCitySteel

                          Yep, the passing game was awesome that year, but after the season collapsed under the weight of late-season turnovers, Tomlin said something to the effect of having to fix the turnover problem and manage risk better.

                          Then we started trading up for LBs, selling top draft picks for defenders, drafting ball control RBs and TEs, and redlining half the playbook.
                          A football coach said turnovers were bad? This is shocking.

                          I know it destroys your narrative, but do you think maybe Ben's injury and the QBs we've played since then might have something to do with being more conservative on offense?

                          Do you think you're winning games by passing a lot with Duck / Mason / Mitch / Kenny? Or even old-man Ben?

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                          • WindyCitySteel
                            Legend
                            • Nov 2011
                            • 15044

                            #73
                            Originally posted by Northern_Blitz

                            A football coach said turnovers were bad? This is shocking.

                            I know it destroys your narrative, but do you think maybe Ben's injury and the QBs we've played since then might have something to do with being more conservative on offense?

                            Do you think you're winning games by passing a lot with Duck / Mason / Mitch / Kenny? Or even old-man Ben?
                            It’s not that they’re bad, they are. It’s the overcorrection that is the problem.

                            And Tomlin is responsible for the roster, too — stop giving him that excuse. He specifically wanted Kenny to run this kind of offense.

                            In another thread you blame the OCs for the offense, I suppose it’s the GM’s fault for the roster, and the DC’s fault for the defense, which makes me wonder about Mike. What exactly does he do? Come up with pithy cliches? Cheerlead?

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                            • Northern_Blitz
                              Legend
                              • Dec 2008
                              • 23538

                              #74
                              Originally posted by WindyCitySteel

                              It’s not that they’re bad, they are. It’s the overcorrection that is the problem.

                              And Tomlin is responsible for the roster, too — stop giving him that excuse. He specifically wanted Kenny to run this kind of offense.

                              In another thread you blame the OCs for the offense, I suppose it’s the GM’s fault for the roster, and the DC’s fault for the defense, which makes me wonder about Mike. What exactly does he do? Come up with pithy cliches? Cheerlead?
                              You think coaches can make above average QBs materialize out of thin air?

                              Why couldn't Noll do it after Bradshaw? Do you think Noll didn't have enough clout with the team after winning 4 SBs?

                              How come it took almost his entire HoF career for Cowher to do it? Cowher probably had more control over the team than Tomlin does. Especially after he ousted TD.

                              Turns out that there are very few QBs who are above average. And even very good, long tenured coaches like Cowher are lucky if they stumble into one.

                              The idea that Tomlin was falling over himself to draft Kenny is silly. Were you one of the people that thought we actually wanted a different QB because he looked more like Tomlin? And if we were so desperate for Kenny, why do you think we didn't trade up for him?

                              We had Kenny play safe because QBs have to earn their way to getting more responsibility. Why did the big bad coach not force Mason to play safe? And he just got outplayed by the 3rd string QB for the second year in a row on a different team. The problem with Kenny wasn't Tomlin. It was Kenny.
                              Last edited by Northern_Blitz; 01-10-2025, 09:51 AM.

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                              • WindyCitySteel
                                Legend
                                • Nov 2011
                                • 15044

                                #75
                                Originally posted by Northern_Blitz

                                You think coaches can make above average QBs materialize out of thin air?

                                Why couldn't Noll do it after Bradshaw? Do you think Noll didn't have enough clout with the team after winning 4 SBs?

                                How come it took almost his entire HoF career for Cowher to do it? Cowher probably had more control over the team than Tomlin does. Especially after he ousted TD.

                                Turns out that there are very few QBs who are above average. And even very good, long tenured coaches like Cowher are lucky if they stumble into one.
                                How many times do I have to explain, Tomlin WANTS these QBs to run his system. You keep trying to blame everyone by him.

                                Do you seriously not think these guys can’t throw passes to the intermediate/deep middle of the field? That entire swath of the field is something defenses don’t have to worry about and they’ve clamped down on the short areas and deep sideline.

                                And how many times do I have to remind you that Cowher won divisions and playoff games with guys like Stewart, O’Donnell, Maddox and Tomczak? Noll won playoff games in Denver vs. Elway with Mark Malone and in Houston vs. Moon with Bubby Ding Dang Brister.

                                Why does Tomlin need a HOF QB in his prime to be competitive in a playoff game, and even then it’s not a guarantee.
                                Last edited by WindyCitySteel; 01-10-2025, 09:53 AM.

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