The Mike Tomlin Problem

[Eich]

The main question with Bill besides cheating of course is "could he do it without Brady?"

After 1 season with Mac Jones we watched this man destroy his roster and he had the audacity to play a whole season without an OC his last year and won 4 games (1 was against us).

Bill won 11 games without Brady when Brady was injured in week 1 of 2008. Though I won't argue that he compares to Tomlin in the regular season overall when not having a franchise QB.

Mike Tomlin had the audacity to pair rookie first round QB Kenny Pickett with an offensive coordinator that was worse than not having one.

In an NFL that favors offense, I don't recall a less-exciting Steelers offense than what I've seen under Tomlin post Ben.

[WindyCitySteel]

Bill won 11 games without Brady when Brady was injured in week 1 of 2008. Though I won't argue that he compares to Tomlin in the regular season overall when not having a franchise QB.

Won 11 with Testaverde in Cleveland in 1994, 10-7 with rookie Mac Jones, too.

[whatever]

When national types talk about Mike Tomlin, they mention three things: non-losing season, players like him, cool sayings. Nobody ever talks about his ability to scheme. It’s pure vanilla on both sides of the ball.

funny how players say they like him but I don’t see FAs lining up to play here.

[whatever]

Tomlin might be able to take a 8 win team and rah rah up one more win but he isn’t taking a 4 or 5 win team to over .500

[Eich]

Even Mike Tomlin, wouldn't hire Mike Tomlin to be a head coach in today's NFL!

https://www.si.com/nfl/steelers/news/pittsburgh-steelers-mike-tomlin-head-shaking-opinion-head-coaches

It's one of the things that I asked Mike Tomlin in our production meeting before our Christmas game was if you were hiring a head coach in today's atmosphere, would you [take] offensive coordinator, defensive coordinator, CEO type?" said Watt. "He was like, 'in today's world, has to be an offensive mind. Has to be a guy that's an offensive mind because the quarterback's the most [important].' So it was really, that was a really interesting take from a notoriously defensive guy.

[T.Ferguson]

Someone might want to make a thread about Julian Edelman's recent comments regarding Tomlin -

“You knew exactly what they were doing. And they still do what they did. They still do the same goddamn **** as when I was playing Tomlin’s defense. I’m like, ‘We still have linebackers covering the three slot? Every time we play Steelers, I have at least nine catches. You would think that they would change it. But no, they do what they do.”

This is exactly what some of us have been saying, I know hard to believe an NFL coach would do that but here we are.

[WindyCitySteel]

Someone might want to make a thread about Julian Edelman's recent comments regarding Tomlin -

“You knew exactly what they were doing. And they still do what they did. They still do the same goddamn **** as when I was playing Tomlin’s defense. I’m like, ‘We still have linebackers covering the three slot? Every time we play Steelers, I have at least nine catches. You would think that they would change it. But no, they do what they do.”

This is exactly what some of us have been saying, I know hard to believe an NFL coach would do that but here we are.

I added it to my thread about lack of imagination. Tomlin should seriously think about coaching college football, where he’d have a chance to assemble a team that has better players than everyone and vanilla schemes would work.

In the NFL, he’ll get outcoached 10 out of 10 times by guys who scheme.

[hawaiiansteel]

Saying players win games, Bill Belichick jokes about renaming Lombardi Trophy for Tom Brady

Published January 29, 2025

Patriots coach Bill Belichick is one of the greatest of all time. But he’s now shifting credit to the men who take the field.

“Players win games,” Belichick said on the latest episode of the Let’s Go! podcast, per quotes distributed by SiriusXM. “You can’t win games without good players. I don’t care who the coach is, it’s impossible. You can’t win without good players.

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/saying-players-win-games-bill-belichick-jokes-about-renaming-lombardi-trophy-for-tom-brady

[Northern_Blitz]

Saying players win games, Bill Belichick jokes about renaming Lombardi Trophy for Tom Brady

Published January 29, 2025

Patriots coach Bill Belichick is one of the greatest of all time. But he’s now shifting credit to the men who take the field.

“Players win games,” Belichick said on the latest episode of the Let’s Go! podcast, per quotes distributed by SiriusXM. “You can’t win games without good players. I don’t care who the coach is, it’s impossible. You can’t win without good players.

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profoo...-for-tom-brady

Pat Mahomes: "Don't change the name too Brady too soon."

[NorthCoast]

Saying players win games, Bill Belichick jokes about renaming Lombardi Trophy for Tom Brady

Published January 29, 2025

Patriots coach Bill Belichick is one of the greatest of all time. But he’s now shifting credit to the men who take the field.

“Players win games,” Belichick said on the latest episode of the Let’s Go! podcast, per quotes distributed by SiriusXM. “You can’t win games without good players. I don’t care who the coach is, it’s impossible. You can’t win without good players.

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profoo...-for-tom-brady

Pretty much what Bill Parcells said years ago (wasn't Belichick a protege?).

"You can lose games if you have the players, but I guarantee you can't win without them" - Bill Parcells

[T.Ferguson]

Has anyone argued you don't need good players? I think the argument against Tomlin has been misuse of players, not developing/coaching players up properly and essentially not putting players in the best positions to succeed.

Talent and coaching are both very important, if they weren't then there wouldn't be such an emphasis on both and we would see less of a correlation between the two.

[T.Ferguson]

I added it to my thread about lack of imagination. Tomlin should seriously think about coaching college football, where he’d have a chance to assemble a team that has better players than everyone and vanilla schemes would work.

In the NFL, he’ll get outcoached 10 out of 10 times by guys who scheme.

I'm just glad players are starting to speak out about this. I've said numerous times that game against the Pats in the AFCCG was over before it even began due to coaching, Steelers had absolutely no chance in it, really disheartening to watch as a fan.

[hawaiiansteel]

Fans are always right -


Andy Reid and Nick Sirianni have this in common: Eagles fans wanted them fired

Tuesday, Jan. 28, 2025

https://triblive.com/sports/andy-reid-and-nick-sirianni-have-this-in-common-eagles-fans-wanted-them-fired/

[WindyCitySteel]

Fans are always right -


Andy Reid and Nick Sirianni have this in common: Eagles fans wanted them fired

Tuesday, Jan. 28, 2025

https://triblive.com/sports/andy-rei...ed-them-fired/

I mean, Philly is the opposite of the Steelers and their coaching stability model. Good is not good enough. Can’t really fault them since they make it work, it’s a really solid organization.

[NorthCoast]

Needs to step away from his self-proclaimed 'player personnel guru' and let the personnel org do their job: