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  • Eich
    Legend
    • Jul 2010
    • 6843

    #46
    Originally posted by feltdizz
    Watt had an amazing first quarter vs KC but he has done NOTHING outside of that quarter that I remember in his career. Minkah is even worse. I don’t think I have ever heard his name in the playoffs since he arrived.
    Not quite sure what you mean about Watt doing nothing in his whole career outside of 1 quarter vs KC.

    But I'm also not convinced that the lack of Watt and Minkah splash is all on Watt and Minkah.

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    • Captain Lemming
      Legend
      • Jun 2008
      • 15963

      #47
      Originally posted by Eich

      Not quite sure what you mean about Watt doing nothing in his whole career outside of 1 quarter vs KC.

      But I'm also not convinced that the lack of Watt and Minkah splash is all on Watt and Minkah.
      He is talking playoffs. Fact is OLD MAN Deebo had more tackles, sacks, and QB hits in the 2016 playoffs alone than Watt has had in his post season career.
      Last edited by Captain Lemming; 01-03-2025, 02:22 AM.
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      In view of the fact that Mike Tomlin has matched Cowhers record I give him the designation:

      TCFCLTC-
      The Coach Formerly Considered Less Than Cowher

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      • Captain Lemming
        Legend
        • Jun 2008
        • 15963

        #48
        Originally posted by WindyCitySteel

        He won a lot of games and took a team to the Super Bowl before that, traded up for Mahomes, and …
        …Only then was able to beat Tomlin in the playoffs?
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        In view of the fact that Mike Tomlin has matched Cowhers record I give him the designation:

        TCFCLTC-
        The Coach Formerly Considered Less Than Cowher

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        • Captain Lemming
          Legend
          • Jun 2008
          • 15963

          #49
          Originally posted by WindyCitySteel

          He won a lot of games and took a team to the Super Bowl before that, traded up for Mahomes, and put him in the best system in the game. He schemes up more wide open plays a week than the Steelers do in a complete season.

          He also took over an Eagles team that was 6-9-1 and 3-13 the previous two seasons, and a KC team that was 7-9 and 2-14 the previous two seasons.

          Coaching matters. He’s the best coach in the game and head and shoulders above Tomlin.

          Also, let’s not act like Mahomes was some can’t miss prospect, he was projected to go late first and be a project. Anyone think he has the same career if he fell to the Steelers and played for Fichtner and Canada?

          From his nfl.com draft profile:
          Anyone thinks Reid has A SINGLE RING without a generational QB? He could not beat US in a playoff game before Mahommes.
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          In view of the fact that Mike Tomlin has matched Cowhers record I give him the designation:

          TCFCLTC-
          The Coach Formerly Considered Less Than Cowher

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          • WindyCitySteel
            Legend
            • Nov 2011
            • 15044

            #50
            Originally posted by Captain Lemming

            Anyone thinks Reid has A SINGLE RING without a generational QB? He could not beat US in a playoff game before Mahommes.
            Anyone think Mahomes is a generational QB if the Steelers draft and “develop” him? Did the Steelers even see this potential in him?

            Imagine drafting the GOAT and making him play in a Fichtner and Canada offense.
            Last edited by WindyCitySteel; 01-03-2025, 09:01 AM.

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            • Northern_Blitz
              Legend
              • Dec 2008
              • 23538

              #51
              Originally posted by Captain Lemming

              He is talking playoffs. Fact is OLD MAN Deebo had more tackles, sacks, and QB hits in the 2016 playoffs alone than Watt has had in his post season career.
              Pass rush works better when you aren't down by 2-3 scores.

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              • hawaiiansteel
                Legend
                • May 2008
                • 34764

                #52
                Not one of Tomlin's better coached games

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                • WindyCitySteel
                  Legend
                  • Nov 2011
                  • 15044

                  #53
                  Originally posted by Northern_Blitz

                  Pass rush works better when you aren't down by 2-3 scores.
                  You don’t fall down 2-3 scores if the pass rush works better.

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                  • Northern_Blitz
                    Legend
                    • Dec 2008
                    • 23538

                    #54
                    Originally posted by WindyCitySteel

                    You don’t fall down 2-3 scores if the pass rush works better.
                    This is at least partially true. Although the O did it's best to get an early score for the other team in 2 of the last 3 playoff games (multiple times against CLE).

                    The D could have played better for sure. But the problem with the last 3 playoff losses isn't the D. It's that the offense was brutal.

                    Bills game we got down 14 in the 1st. Gave up an 80 yard drive for a TD (this is on the D). Then forced them 3 and out. Then we fumbled inside our own 20 yard line. Bills scored. Now we're down 14 and the Bills are in control.

                    Against KC, Watt's fumble return was the first points of the game. Here are KC's 1st half drives: 3 and out, 4 play drive 29 yards, 1 play INT, 9 plays 29 yards, fumble returned for a TD, then 2 TDs given up. Pretty impossible to argue that the D didn't do their part in the first half of this game IMO. I think our O got 2 first downs in the half.

                    Then CLE. Where Pouncey and Ben put together the worst half of playoff football on record.

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                    • WindyCitySteel
                      Legend
                      • Nov 2011
                      • 15044

                      #55
                      Originally posted by Northern_Blitz

                      This is at least partially true. Although the O did it's best to get an early score for the other team in 2 of the last 3 playoff games (multiple times against CLE).

                      The D could have played better for sure. But the problem with the last 3 playoff losses isn't the D. It's that the offense was brutal.

                      Bills game we got down 14 in the 1st. Gave up an 80 yard drive for a TD (this is on the D). Then forced them 3 and out. Then we fumbled inside our own 20 yard line. Bills scored. Now we're down 14 and the Bills are in control.

                      Against KC, Watt's fumble return was the first points of the game. Here are KC's 1st half drives: 3 and out, 4 play drive 29 yards, 1 play INT, 9 plays 29 yards, fumble returned for a TD, then 2 TDs given up. Pretty impossible to argue that the D didn't do their part in the first half of this game IMO. I think our O got 2 first downs in the half.

                      Then CLE. Where Pouncey and Ben put together the worst half of playoff football on record.
                      In the Jax and Cle games, the offense righted itself and was trying to bring the team back but the D kept folding. D is also allowed to bow their backs after a turnover, not just fold up like a cheap lawn chair. They’re also allowed to sack the QB and force TO’s.

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                      • Northern_Blitz
                        Legend
                        • Dec 2008
                        • 23538

                        #56
                        Originally posted by WindyCitySteel

                        In the Jax and Cle games, the offense righted itself and was trying to bring the team back but the D kept folding. D is also allowed to bow their backs after a turnover, not just fold up like a cheap lawn chair. They’re also allowed to sack the QB and force TO’s.
                        You're right.

                        The offense has been awesome in the playoffs!

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                        • WindyCitySteel
                          Legend
                          • Nov 2011
                          • 15044

                          #57
                          Originally posted by Northern_Blitz

                          You're right.

                          The offense has been awesome in the playoffs!
                          Better than the D…scored 42 and 37 in those losses. Tomlin’s D was shredded.

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                          • Northern_Blitz
                            Legend
                            • Dec 2008
                            • 23538

                            #58
                            Originally posted by WindyCitySteel

                            Better than the D…scored 42 and 37 in those losses. Tomlin’s D was shredded.
                            Yep. The O put up a bunch of stats against prevent in both those games. And generally shat the bed when the game was within 2 scores (including the DTDs both of those opponents had).

                            The D hasn't been stellar for sure. But the D is generally at an NFL level. That hasn't been the case for the offense since Ben got hurt.

                            Also, it's probably worth it for you to remember that the Jax game is the better part of a decade ago. Not sure how transferable anything from that game is to now.

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                            • LPMAN
                              Pro Bowler
                              • Sep 2021
                              • 1801

                              #59
                              Originally posted by Northern_Blitz

                              Yep. The O put up a bunch of stats against prevent in both those games. And generally shat the bed when the game was within 2 scores (including the DTDs both of those opponents had).

                              The D hasn't been stellar for sure. But the D is generally at an NFL level. That hasn't been the case for the offense since Ben got hurt.

                              Also, it's probably worth it for you to remember that the Jax game is the better part of a decade ago. Not sure how transferable anything from that game is to now.
                              Yinzers still think all those playoff games with Ben were just yesterday!

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                              • hawaiiansteel
                                Legend
                                • May 2008
                                • 34764

                                #60

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