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It's hard to argue any of that, which looks as though it was written by taking snippets of what many have written here.
Tomlin doesn't seem to be an evolving kind of guy. He's more of a fundamentals, attrition, do-what-we-do, nameless gray faces kinda coach. He doesn't want a young, up and coming type of coordinator. He wants coordinators who will run his style of play.
There was a lot to be excited about for this season and we've won a good number of games. But if it ends much the same as the previous decade of seasons, there will be another offseason of Tomlin blame going around.
It's easy to say - and maybe a lot of truth to it - that he's been held back mostly by the QB position. But you also see enough things that go wrong that aren't the QB's fault.
Tomlin doesn't seem to be an evolving kind of guy. He's more of a fundamentals, attrition, do-what-we-do, nameless gray faces kinda coach. He doesn't want a young, up and coming type of coordinator. He wants coordinators who will run his style of play.
A style of play that prioritizes drafting slow, plodding, physical backs and weak armed, safe QBs.
While it might be a Mike Tomlin problem, it is very much also an Art Rooney problem in the end. Rooney should be challenging Tomlin on his staff hirings. He should be challenging Tomlin's 'process' and pushing him to make significant changes. No process is perfect. Tomlin's process seems to be good enough that he can consistently beat about 60% of the teams in a given season. But really, how good is that when maybe 15% of the teams are fielding new coaching staffs each year?
And the game evolves, so the process must also. If Rooney is copacetic with Tomlin's approach, then there is little that will change in the end.
While it might be a Mike Tomlin problem, it is very much also an Art Rooney problem in the end. Rooney should be challenging Tomlin on his staff hirings. He should be challenging Tomlin's 'process' and pushing him to make significant changes. No process is perfect. Tomlin's process seems to be good enough that he can consistently beat about 60% of the teams in a given season. But really, how good is that when maybe 15% of the teams are fielding new coaching staffs each year?
And the game evolves, so the process must also. If Rooney is copacetic with Tomlin's approach, then there is little that will change in the end.
100% agree, and it won’t happen. He recently said he’s thrilled with Tomlin because the Steelers are always playing meaningful games in December.
As I have written here before, it's not a question anymore of Historic, great, very good, good, average, hack (Rich Kotite was hack btw not Tomin), it's a matter of does he have what it takes to make this team a super bowl contender.
I think there is enough sample data to suggest he is not that coach.
I started thinking about the type of coach Mike Tomilin reminds me of from the past. I think he has devolved into Marty Schottenheimer. Marty had 19 of 21 seasons of a winning record, but brutal playoff record. Granted his is abysmal compared to Tomlin's record (5-13 vs 8-10) but Tomlin's record is front loaded before he devolved into Marty (5-2 in first 4 seasons, vs 3-8 in the last 14 seasons which is very Marty looking to me).
I remember Schottenheimer as a very conservative, set in his ways type of coach who would decide to do some bizarre things out of desperation.
Hell San Diego fired him after going 14-2 and losing to Brady in the 2006.
The question has been answered in my head...Tomlin is not the right coach for this team...doesn't mean he isn't a good coach but both he and the team need a different direction. Not going to happen but this is what I see.
The biggest Mike Tomlin problem, that we all should face, is that after signing a three-year extension this past off-season, he is here at least through 2026. The Steelers don't spend money and pay guys not to work. If you believe that the Steelers need to move on from him then you have to accept that it won't happen. The only way he doesn't make it two more seasons (under contract for three more) is if Tomlin decides to walk.
As I have written here before, it's not a question anymore of Historic, great, very good, good, average, hack (Rich Kotite was hack btw not Tomin), it's a matter of does he have what it takes to make this team a super bowl contender.
I think there is enough sample data to suggest he is not that coach.
I started thinking about the type of coach Mike Tomilin reminds me of from the past. I think he has devolved into Marty Schottenheimer. Marty had 19 of 21 seasons of a winning record, but brutal playoff record. Granted his is abysmal compared to Tomlin's record (5-13 vs 8-10) but Tomlin's record is front loaded before he devolved into Marty (5-2 in first 4 seasons, vs 3-8 in the last 14 seasons which is very Marty looking to me).
I remember Schottenheimer as a very conservative, set in his ways type of coach who would decide to do some bizarre things out of desperation.
Hell San Diego fired him after going 14-2 and losing to Brady in the 2006.
I think Marty is a good comparison to Tomlin.
Originally posted by brothervad
The question has been answered in my head...Tomlin is not the right coach for this team...doesn't mean he isn't a good coach but both he and the team need a different direction. Not going to happen but this is what I see.
Brothervad
It's going to happen. The only question is when?!! I can't see him getting extended again if we don't make some kind of noise in the playoffs before the extension is due.
It's going to happen. The only question is when?!! I can't see him getting extended again if we don't make some kind of noise in the playoffs before the extension is due.
Rooney worships him, it’s more likely he is officially give GM duties like BB was than him getting let go.
Rooney worships him, it’s more likely he is officially give GM duties like BB was than him getting let go.
I want to offer some logic, Rooney does not worship Tomlin. Let me ask you ,are not the Steelers sold out? What is the wait for season tickets. I know there are MT seats but they have been paid for so the Rooney's are still making $. The Steelers get their cut from TV contracts , right?
The Steelers have won 6 SBS, tied for 1st. Are they not making money? Would they make more if they won another SB? Do the Chiefs make more money then the Steelers? How much more are the Chiefs worth then the Steelers?
The Steelers are how the Rooney's make money. This is not a hobby for them where they made their money some where else. They are making $, that's what they want.
Some of you may be too young to remember when we didn't draft Danny Marino. There wasn't a cap or any of that back then. There were rumors that the real reason the Steelers didn't draft Marino was because they didn't want to pay a QB big $. Of course there was the drug rumors but no one knows for sure.
Conclusion, the Rooney's are making money and that's fine with them. When that is impacted then they will consider major changes.
While it might be a Mike Tomlin problem, it is very much also an Art Rooney problem in the end. Rooney should be challenging Tomlin on his staff hirings. He should be challenging Tomlin's 'process' and pushing him to make significant changes. No process is perfect. Tomlin's process seems to be good enough that he can consistently beat about 60% of the teams in a given season. But really, how good is that when maybe 15% of the teams are fielding new coaching staffs each year?
And the game evolves, so the process must also. If Rooney is copacetic with Tomlin's approach, then there is little that will change in the end.
Close but you have it backwards my friend. Rooney likes Tomlin BECAUSE he believes in ROONEYS philosophy.
Smith is ideal for what ROONEY likes to do, not just Tomlin. Heck I imagine Rooney was overjoyed with the hire, so why would he challenge the hire?
I personally believe in that brand of football. Problem on offense is inconsistent QB play. When the QB plays well how often do we lose?
Does anyone think for one minute that the Chiefs would win in a he playoffs with KENNY.
Tomlin had a winning record versus Reid before Mahommes when WE had the better QB. To this day Tomlin OWNS McVey. Why is that if Steeler football is outdated?
The Chiefs won 11 games to our 10 last season. We had Kenny, Mitch and Mason NONE OF WHOM is starting on another roster post Steelers.
They had the leagues best QB in Mahommes.
Do you not think Mahommes versus what we had is a difference of more than one win? I do and say Reid DOES NOT MAKE THE PLAYOFFS as Steeler coach last season.
This is not because Tomlin is a better coach, but ONLY he can win more than he loses with INCREDIBLY WEAK OFFENSIVE TALENT.
The result is that fans expect him to run a fine dining Italian restaurant out of Chef Boyardee cans.
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In view of the fact that Mike Tomlin has matched Cowhers record I give him the designation:
TCFCLTC-
The Coach Formerly Considered Less Than Cowher
A professional football head coach has a multifaceted role that encompasses several key responsibilities:
Strategy and Game Planning:
Play-Calling: The head coach, or their designated offensive coordinator, decides the plays during the game. They develop strategies based on the team's strengths, the opponent's weaknesses, and current game conditions.
Game Plan: Before each game, they craft a detailed game plan, which includes both offensive and defensive strategies.
Leadership and Management:
Team Leadership: They lead the entire coaching staff and set the tone for team culture, discipline, and morale.
Player Management: This includes managing player rotations, dealing with player issues, and making decisions about who plays when and where.
Training and Development:
Practice Oversight: They organize and oversee practice sessions, ensuring that drills and workouts are aligned with game preparation.
Player Development: They work with assistant coaches to develop individual player skills, often focusing on both young players and veterans.
Personnel Decisions:
Draft and Recruitment: While general managers often have the final say, head coaches significantly influence draft picks, free-agent signings, and trades by providing input based on team needs and player fit with the team's system.
Roster Management: They decide who makes the team, who gets cut, and how to manage the salary cap in coordination with the front office.
Media and Public Relations:
Press Conferences: Head coaches frequently meet with the media to discuss team performance, strategy adjustments, and player statuses.
Public Face of the Team: They are often the public face of the franchise, representing the team at various events and in community outreach.
Performance Analysis:
Reviewing Games: After each game, they analyze performances to identify areas for improvement, adjust strategies, and sometimes make changes to the starting lineup or tactics.
Opponent Scouting: They review tapes of upcoming opponents to prepare their game plan.
Administrative Duties:
Staff Management: Hiring, firing, and managing assistant coaches and support staff.
Budget Oversight: While less hands-on, they might be involved in discussions about budgets for equipment, travel, and salaries.
Adaptation to Rules and Changes:
Keeping up with changes in league rules, player safety protocols, and adapting coaching techniques accordingly.
In essence, a pro football head coach is the chief strategist, motivator, and manager of the team, whose decisions can significantly influence the team's success or failure. Their job requires a blend of deep football knowledge, leadership skills, and the ability to adapt to the ever-evolving landscape of professional sports.
Tomlin can't do the above well, though he is a very good PR machine, so .....
Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game in seven years and counting. The earliest will be eight years. I guess that in Art Rooney's II, opinion is worth a 3 year extension.
Our 2024 draft looks to be grade A. Our 2023 draft is an A. The roster is talented, but Mike Tomlin is still the head coach.
*** Mike Tomlin is the best coach since the AFL- NFL merger that has not won a playoff game in 8 seasons or more. It's either him or Lewis. ***
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