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  • LPMAN
    Pro Bowler
    • Sep 2021
    • 1799

    Who is the Defensive guy?

    Seems Elliot & Heyward are saying when 10 guys do their job & 1 guy doesn't & miss communicates we are all screwed. So who are they talking about? Possible choices:

    Patrick Queen
    Cameron Sutton
    Donte Jackson
    James Pierre
    Peyton Wilson
  • fordfixer
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    • May 2008
    • 10850

    #2
    Well? … We’re waiting.

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    • LPMAN
      Pro Bowler
      • Sep 2021
      • 1799

      #3
      i don't know they won't say....some actually think it might be Minkah......BUT i think it's Cameron Sutton.....seems like our secondary defense has gone downhill since Sutton replaced Beanie Bishop. But Queen calls out the signals & hasn't looked good either lately. Pieere has stunk. So lots of options

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      • NorthCoast
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        • Sep 2008
        • 25596

        #4
        I have a good idea who they are talking about. But Tomlin has taken a patient approach most of the time, preferring the players work out of their slumps. But at this late stage of the season it doesn't make sense to delay action.

        Steelers insider explains why there might be 'trouble brewing' in Pittsburgh


        MIKE MORAITIS

        7 hours ago•1:18 pm EST
        Barry Reeger-Imagn Images

        As if the offense struggling wasn't bad enough, the backbone of the Pittsburgh Steelers ([url]https://www.steelers.com/[/url]), the defense, has also had a ton of issues in recent weeks. And, players have not been shy about voicing their frustrations

        There are a lot of specific things you can point to in terms of what to blame the issues on, like poor tackling, miscommunication and injuries, for example. But is there one person who is the biggest cause of the unit's struggles overall?
        Jaylen Warren's best plays from his 112-yard Christmas Day performance vs. Chiefs Week 17

        Steelers beat reporter Mark Kaboly ([url]https://x.com/MarkKaboly/status/1872041791421071362[/url]) thinks that could be the case, and he wonders if there's "troubling brewing" in Pittsburgh with players possibly being on the verge of outing one or more others who they feel are part of the problem.

        "The sense I am getting are the players are getting closer and closer of outing the person who they feel is a big part of the problem on defense," Kaboly wrote in the wake of the Steelers' loss to the Kansas City Chiefs ([url]https://www.chiefs.com/[/url]) in Week 17.

        Kaboly cites a few quotes from linebacker Patrick Queen.

        “Can’t explain it, it’s happening," Queen said. "We keep talking about it. Nobody is doing a thing about it. ... If nobody does anything about what they are supposed to be doing then we don't have any room for it.”

        "I don't know if we have to keep saying it," Queen added after a follow-up question. "We have said it the last two or three weeks. It is at a point where you realize it and go out there and play fast and play physical and do your job."

        Safety DeShon Elliott was quite outspoken about players doing their jobs after the Christmas Day defeat.

        "First off, guys can't be f****** wide open," Elliott said after the game. "That's the first thing. Just do your job, you know?

        "I thought we communicated. Guys just weren't doing their freaking job. So, get back to the drawing board. It's Week 18. Shouldn't be having these problems in Week 18," Elliott added. "This is a Week 1, Week 2 problem. So, I don't know where we went down the line, started becoming a whole different defense than what we were, but we've got to get back to who we are."

        Star defensive lineman Cam Heyward also touched on the situation and talked about how one guy not doing his job can ruin the whole unit.

        “When 10 guys do their job and one guy doesn’t, we are screwed,” Heyward said . “It comes down to communicating, it comes down to executing, it comes down to guys following their assignments.”

        Based on the comments from players, it doesn't appear to be a coaching issue, but rather a player issue.

        Whatever the issue is, the Steelers have to figure it out quick with the playoffs rapidly approaching. Thankfully, head coach Mike Tomlin revealed that changes are afoot.

        "We're not going to continue to do the same things and hope for a different result," Tomlin said "That doesn't seem sharp to me. And so, we're going to take a hard look at this. We've got a couple of extra days before we get back into it.

        Pittsburgh will be up against it in the playoffs if their offense doesn't improve, but the Steelers will have zero shot of making a run if the defense continues to play the way it has

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        • LPMAN
          Pro Bowler
          • Sep 2021
          • 1799

          #5
          reading that article it has to be Sutton or Pierre....because they were not playing first half of the season when we didn't have these issues. And Corey Trice hasn't played very much

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          • Northern_Blitz
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            • Dec 2008
            • 23529

            #6
            My guess is that it isn't one specific guy all the time.

            That they are saying everyone has to do their job and trust the plsy.

            Pretty standard stuff.

            But writers like to sit the pot.

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            • Starlifter
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              • May 2008
              • 5012

              #7
              DK thinks it's likely to be Sutton. I don't have the link handy, but his second daily shot on youtube today laid out a compelling argument. He also made it clear it's absolutely NOT Minkah.
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              • steeler_fan_in_t.o.
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                • May 2008
                • 9909

                #8
                Originally posted by LPMAN
                Seems Elliot & Heyward are saying when 10 guys do their job & 1 guy doesn't & miss communicates we are all screwed. So who are they talking about? Possible choices:

                Patrick Queen
                Cameron Sutton
                Donte Jackson
                James Pierre
                Peyton Wilson
                I wasn't sure at first if it was a hypothetical player on any given play. Just the idea of it only takes one to be the weak link and cause a play to fail. However, if it was them calling someone out:

                I don't think it would be Pierre or Trice - two guys thrust into position this week due to injury
                I don't think Wilson - A rookie playing less than half the snaps, but a bigger role than expected this year
                I don't think Minkah - I think he's too respected to be called out like that
                I don't think Jackson - don't know why, but I just don't

                I would think Queen is likely. A new guy and too often looked like he was just running around. Slow start to the season, decent few games, and then regressed again. So much more damage was done on short and intermediate passes than deep passes
                Could be Sutton. Played 43 of 62 snaps and I can see maybe some players not being happy he came back after his off-season

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                • Mr.wizard
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                  • May 2014
                  • 6617

                  #9
                  It has to be Sutton and the players are right. On defense all it takes is one guy out of position to throw everything out of whack. Since we switched to more Sutton over Bishop the defense has been noticeably worse. I guess we will know next game, let's see who is on the field.

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                  • NorthCoast
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                    • Sep 2008
                    • 25596

                    #10
                    Originally posted by steeler_fan_in_t.o.

                    I wasn't sure at first if it was a hypothetical player on any given play. Just the idea of it only takes one to be the weak link and cause a play to fail. However, if it was them calling someone out:

                    I don't think it would be Pierre or Trice - two guys thrust into position this week due to injury
                    I don't think Wilson - A rookie playing less than half the snaps, but a bigger role than expected this year
                    I don't think Minkah - I think he's too respected to be called out like that
                    I don't think Jackson - don't know why, but I just don't

                    I would think Queen is likely. A new guy and too often looked like he was just running around. Slow start to the season, decent few games, and then regressed again. So much more damage was done on short and intermediate passes than deep passes
                    Could be Sutton. Played 43 of 62 snaps and I can see maybe some players not being happy he came back after his off-season
                    Don't think it's Queen because Queen is one of the guys bitching about 'not doing their job'. Unless he doesn't even know he is screwing up.

                    Fairly certain they are talking about Sutton. Every game he has had significant snaps, it seems the defense gets worse. Like I said earlier, Tomlin is a patient man but there really is no reason to be at this point.

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                    • The Man of Steel
                      Pro Bowler
                      • Dec 2009
                      • 2191

                      #11
                      Isn’t Tomlin a “defensive guy?”
                      Obviously the standard is the standard.

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                      • Joel Buchsbaum
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                        • Jan 2021
                        • 7365

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Starlifter
                        DK thinks it's likely to be Sutton. I don't have the link handy, but his second daily shot on youtube today laid out a compelling argument. He also made it clear it's absolutely NOT Minkah.
                        It's Sutton.
                        Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game in seven years and counting. The earliest will be eight years. I guess that in Art Rooney's II, opinion is worth a 3 year extension.

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                        • Joel Buchsbaum
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                          • Jan 2021
                          • 7365

                          #13
                          Originally posted by NorthCoast

                          Don't think it's Queen because Queen is one of the guys bitching about 'not doing their job'. Unless he doesn't even know he is screwing up.

                          Fairly certain they are talking about Sutton. Every game he has had significant snaps, it seems the defense gets worse. Like I said earlier, Tomlin is a patient man but there really is no reason to be at this point.


                          Queen can not cover wll enough to be on the feild on 3d down and 3 yards or more. He is part of the problem.

                          Sutton is playing becasue our #1 and #2 CBs are/were injured. He is a good as gone next year.
                          Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game in seven years and counting. The earliest will be eight years. I guess that in Art Rooney's II, opinion is worth a 3 year extension.

                          Our 2024 draft looks to be grade A. Our 2023 draft is an A. The roster is talented, but Mike Tomlin is still the head coach.

                          *** Mike Tomlin is the best coach since the AFL- NFL merger that has not won a playoff game in 8 seasons or more. It's either him or Lewis. ***

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                          • steeler_fan_in_t.o.
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                            • May 2008
                            • 9909

                            #14
                            Originally posted by NorthCoast

                            Don't think it's Queen because Queen is one of the guys bitching about 'not doing their job'. Unless he doesn't even know he is screwing up.

                            Fairly certain they are talking about Sutton. Every game he has had significant snaps, it seems the defense gets worse. Like I said earlier, Tomlin is a patient man but there really is no reason to be at this point.
                            Ya, I hadn't seen the Queen quotes. Funny because I think he often looks out of place, but could be wrong. Interesting to see Elliott stepping up in the leadership department. He has been a big addition to this D overall. Especially for a guy on a two year - $6M deal. I'd like to see him extended this off-season.
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                            • WindyCitySteel
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                              • Nov 2011
                              • 15025

                              #15
                              Originally posted by LPMAN
                              i don't know they won't say....some actually think it might be Minkah......BUT i think it's Cameron Sutton.....seems like our secondary defense has gone downhill since Sutton replaced Beanie Bishop. But Queen calls out the signals & hasn't looked good either lately. Pieere has stunk. So lots of options
                              If they’re talking about one guy then it’s Sutton, but I think they mean a different guy on every play. Popcorn, if you will.

                              BTW, Beanie Bishop didn’t get a single snap on Xmas.

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