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  • Mr.wizard
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    • May 2014
    • 6617

    #16
    Originally posted by Buzz

    Of course, we need to take advantage of opportunities... and of course, having your backup DBs playing more is going to mean a greater likelihood of making mistakes.

    However

    Coaching is not doing near enough to help put our D in position to succeed
    I agree with the OP, failing to make the necessary defensive adjustments when Mahomes was getting the ball out so quickly, that's inexcusable. And what about the breakdowns in communication? Why are we always/still having these issues?

    This team needs to do more than just take a deep breath ... yes, the players need to capitalize on turnover opportunities and carry out their assignments, but coaching needs to do a better job (both sides of the ball) if we are going to have a chance to win in the playoffs.

    In spite of the injuries -- every team has to deal with them -- this team is talented enough that they should be able to make a run.
    We did make adjustments, it was only 13-7 at the half and we had a good chance to have the lead at the half. We get on that fumbled punt, Queen catches that int, no holding on the Warren td, Wilson doesn't throw into triple coverage taking points off the board. We just kept squandering opportunities, coaching can only do so much, you have to make the plays in front of you. Communication errors happen when you put 3 backups in the game, especially against Reid and Mahomes.

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    • steeler_fan_in_t.o.
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      • May 2008
      • 9909

      #17
      Originally posted by WindyCitySteel
      The big mistake was playing so much zone, Mahomes and Kelce chew that up. KC is way down in air yards/attempt this year, we played them like Tyreek Hill was taking the top off the defense.

      Which again goes back to Tomlin’s top priority in every aspect of the game: minimizing negativity.
      I was surprised that they didn't key on Kelce. The D usually tries to take away the biggest threat and make the O beat them another way. That's why it often seems that the Steelers get beaten by unknowns. It also didn't work the week before as Henry put up a ton of yards, but the D did hold Saquon to 65 on the ground but the Philly O had way too much with both Brown and Smith going over 100.
      http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/k...to_Mike/to.jpg

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      • Buzz
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        • Dec 2017
        • 8186

        #18
        Originally posted by Mr.wizard

        We did make adjustments, it was only 13-7 at the half and we had a good chance to have the lead at the half. We get on that fumbled punt, Queen catches that int, no holding on the Warren td, Wilson doesn't throw into triple coverage taking points off the board. We just kept squandering opportunities, coaching can only do so much, you have to make the plays in front of you. Communication errors happen when you put 3 backups in the game, especially against Reid and Mahomes.
        Again, yes, you need to make the plays and get the turnovers, need to minimize the mistakes and not take foolish penalties. I don't think anyone would argue about those points. But I'm not sure that, even if we took advantage of all the opportunities you mentioned, it would've been enough to win that game--Mahomes was pretty much having his way with his passing attack. And why should coaches be exempt from criticism when they could clearly do better?

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        • WindyCitySteel
          Legend
          • Nov 2011
          • 15025

          #19
          Huh, I didn’t know Austin was a Tampa-2 guy. Did he get that from Detroit or Cincy?

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          • Mr.wizard
            Legend
            • May 2014
            • 6617

            #20
            Originally posted by Buzz

            Again, yes, you need to make the plays and get the turnovers, need to minimize the mistakes and not take foolish penalties. I don't think anyone would argue about those points. But I'm not sure that, even if we took advantage of all the opportunities you mentioned, it would've been enough to win that game--Mahomes was pretty much having his way with his passing attack. And why should coaches be exempt from criticism when they could clearly do better?
            I'm not saying they are exempt from criticism, I'm saying that you need to make plays to win. Coaching doesn't make players make plays, if we make our plays and don't turn the ball over, we win that game. Like I said 13-7 at the half and we had the ball with a chance to take the lead several times. Was it perfect, no, but to act like we had no chance in that game is crazy.

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            • Blitzer
              Pro Bowler
              • Nov 2022
              • 1069

              #21
              Other teams have figured the Steelers Def out. The D has not changed in years. Teams know what to expect.

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              • WindyCitySteel
                Legend
                • Nov 2011
                • 15025

                #22
                Originally posted by Mr.wizard

                I'm not saying they are exempt from criticism, I'm saying that you need to make plays to win. Coaching doesn't make players make plays, if we make our plays and don't turn the ball over, we win that game. Like I said 13-7 at the half and we had the ball with a chance to take the lead several times. Was it perfect, no, but to act like we had no chance in that game is crazy.
                Expecting bounces and fumbles to all go your way to win games is idiotic, the Steelers were outschemed from the jump and never adjusted.

                This is a poverty coaching staff.

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                • LPMAN
                  Pro Bowler
                  • Sep 2021
                  • 1799

                  #23
                  Originally posted by feltdizz
                  This scheme where we don’t cover the best TE in football is just weird.

                  Teams that struggle all year doing things cure their woes against us.

                  I said it before and I will say it again. Watt is an amazing player but we aren’t winning against good teams with him. Its time to blow up this expensive defense. It simply can’t win games down the stretch. We can win early when healthy but once teams find their identities they make us look foolish.
                  Yes historically we dont cover TES well or middle of the field. Although Elliot showed he can do it when allowed.

                  BUT, you did notice vs Chiefs there were a lot of passes near the LOS to the left & right. We were playing so soft coverage everywhere plus rushing Watt & Highsmith so there was no coverage or containment to either side. All Mahomes had to do was throw it to his first option immediately after the snap & it was an automatic seven+ yards. That's some horible defensive scheming.

                  Especially for a head coach that once said WE DEFEND EVERY BLADE OF GRASS!

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                  • LPMAN
                    Pro Bowler
                    • Sep 2021
                    • 1799

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Mr.wizard

                    I'm not saying they are exempt from criticism, I'm saying that you need to make plays to win. Coaching doesn't make players make plays, if we make our plays and don't turn the ball over, we win that game. Like I said 13-7 at the half and we had the ball with a chance to take the lead several times. Was it perfect, no, but to act like we had no chance in that game is crazy.
                    We lost the turnover battle both of the last 2 games which is a factor, BUT it has nothing to do with the topic here of adjusting your defense. Lebeau used to say we will make the offense move the ball slowly down the field because odds are they will eventually make a mistake, play to keep away the big play.

                    Well that doesn' work vs Brady or Mahomes as they rarely make the mistake. And the Chiefs after Mahomes hurt his ankle plus their OL not being good they've been throwing quick passes & abandoning the longer pass because they just don't have the time to throw it deep. But i guess Tomlin doesn't watch film, because him & Austins defensive gameplan looked like something that would be Mahomes & Andy Reeds FIRST CHOICE to play against.

                    Again worst D gameplan i've seen since Lebau Vs Tebow playoff game.

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                    • Buzz
                      Legend
                      • Dec 2017
                      • 8186

                      #25
                      Originally posted by Mr.wizard

                      Was it perfect, no, but to act like we had no chance in that game is crazy.
                      We'd have had a lot better chance with better defensive gameplanning/preparation/adjustments

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                      • Mr.wizard
                        Legend
                        • May 2014
                        • 6617

                        #26
                        Originally posted by WindyCitySteel

                        Expecting bounces and fumbles to all go your way to win games is idiotic, the Steelers were outschemed from the jump and never adjusted.

                        This is a poverty coaching staff.
                        Who said any of that? Expect the players to make the plays in front of them, that's how you win games. If you turn the ball over, take points off the board, get zero takeaways, and then expect the coaches to win you the game against Reid and Mahomes, now that's idiotic.

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                        • Mr.wizard
                          Legend
                          • May 2014
                          • 6617

                          #27
                          Originally posted by Buzz

                          We'd have had a lot better chance with better defensive gameplanning/preparation/adjustments
                          What was the defensive gameplan? What was the preparation?

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                          • WindyCitySteel
                            Legend
                            • Nov 2011
                            • 15025

                            #28
                            Originally posted by Mr.wizard

                            What was the defensive gameplan? What was the preparation?
                            The game plan was to sit back and prevent the big plays that Mahomes and the Chiefs were NOT making all year, and they got picked apart short and over the MOF. Doesn’t seem like there was much preparation at all.

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