Underachieving, remains the same, or overachieving Steelers players.

[Joel Buchsbaum]

Based on their 2023 production

Offense:

QB R. Wilson - Overachieving. Should have started sooner. A top 12 QB? I think so.

RB Harris. Remains the same. 4.0 YPC
RB Warren. Remains the same, was hurt early on, now he is 100% healthy.

WR Pickens. Slightly overachieving, needs to grow up. A star.
WR Austin. He is a fine 3rd WR capable of hitting the big play.
WR WR #2- Very underachieving. Van Jefferson / Miller

TE Muth. Slightly overachieving
TE Washington As the #2 TE, he is thriving. Overachieving.

OT Moore jr. Remains the same. Steady.
OT Jones. Underachieving though has been better now that he is healthy.
C Frazier This rookie might end up in the pro bowl. Very Overachieving
G McCormick This rookie has over achieved and has room to grow.
G Seumalo. Was better last year, silighty under achieving



Defense:

DL Ogunjobi - Under aching, just a guy
NT Benton. Over achieving a very undervalued Steeler
DL Heyward. Over achieving. Is having his best season as a Steeler.

Edge Watt. Playing up to his very high bar. Remains the same.
Edge Highsmith. Under achieving. Way overpaid , he is still very good.
Edge Herbig. He is a fine rotation man. Over achieving

LB Queen Under achieving. He has not come close to playing up to his reputation,
LB P. Wilson Overachieving . A steal in the draft and one of the best 15 LB's in football.
LB Roberts. Remains the same. He's ok but not needed as much in the modern NFL.


CB: Porter Remains the same. Our #1 corner is good. A bit penalty prone.
CB. Jacskon. He is way overachieving. Mr. Splash play at corner.
CB. Bishop. Neither over or under achieving, He plays slot as a rookie and has made plays.

S. Elliott. Over achieving. Our best safety this year. He is a very good
S. Fitzpatrick. Very Underachieving, The most disappointing Steeler


Special teams

K. Boswell. Is the best kicker in the NFL. Very overachieving
P. Wiatman. A replacement punter, he has done the job well. Overachieving.


[url]https://www.pff.com/nfl/teams/pittsburgh-steelers/25/roster[/url]

-JB

[NorthCoast]

Based on their 2023 production

Offense:

QB R. Wilson - Overachieving. Should have started sooner. A top 12 QB? I think so.

RB Harris. Remains the same. 4.0 YPC
RB Warren. Remains the same, was hurt early on, now he is 100% healthy.

WR Pickens. Slightly overachieving, needs to grow up. A star.
WR Austin. He is a fine 3rd WR capable of hitting the big play.
WR WR #2- Very underachieving. Van Jefferson / Miller

TE Muth. Slightly overachieving
TE Washington As the #2 TE, he is thriving. Overachieving.

OT Moore jr. Remains the same. Steady.
OT Jones. Underachieving though has been better now that he is healthy.
C Frazier This rookie might end up in the pro bowl. Very Overachieving
G McCormick This rookie has over achieved and has room to grow.
G Seumalo. Was better last year, silighty under achieving



Defense:

DL Ogunjobi - Under aching, just a guy
NT Benton. Over achieving a very undervalued Steeler
DL Heyward. Over achieving. Is having his best season as a Steeler.

Edge Watt. Playing up to his very high bar. Remains the same.
Edge Highsmith. Under achieving. Way overpaid , he is still very good.
Edge Herbig. He is a fine rotation man. Over achieving

LB Queen Under achieving. He has not come close to playing up to his reputation,
LB P. Wilson Overachieving . A steal in the draft and one of the best 15 LB's in football.
LB Roberts. Remains the same. He's ok but not needed as much in the modern NFL.


CB: Porter Remains the same. Our #1 corner is good. A bit penalty prone.
CB. Jacskon. He is way overachieving. Mr. Splash play at corner.
CB. Bishop. Neither over or under achieving, He plays slot as a rookie and has made plays.

S. Elliott. Over achieving. Our best safety this year. He is a very good
S. Fitzpatrick. Very Underachieving, The most disappointing Steeler


Special teams

K. Boswell. Is the best kicker in the NFL. Very overachieving
P. Wiatman. A replacement punter, he has done the job well. Overachieving.


[url]https://www.pff.com/nfl/teams/pittsburgh-steelers/25/roster[/url]

-JB

Not understanding your ratings. Example, if Boswell is 'the best kicker in the NFL', how is he overachieving on the season? He is achieving as the best kicker. I think you need to add more content.

[Joel Buchsbaum]

Not understanding your ratings. Example, if Boswell is 'the best kicker in the NFL', how is he overachieving on the season? He is achieving as the best kicker. I think you need to add more content.

Boswell was among the best kickers in the NFL past years. . This year he is setting NFL records and is the #1 kicker. He is having best season as a Steeler. That's why he is overachieving from 2023. Each player gets a short one line expaliantion. I am not plannig on expanding much beyond that.

[feltdizz]

Boz is definitely overachieving. I don’t think anyone expected him to be the best kicker in the NFL this year.

Highsmith underachieving is nonsense. He was hurt but when healthy he has been a force this year.

Queen is not underachieving. He started slow but he has been playing great since the bye.

Calvin Austin has 4 TD’s and is averaging 16.8 ypc.

[Joel Buchsbaum]

Boz is definitely overachieving. I don’t think anyone expected him to be the best kicker in the NFL this year.

Highsmith underachieving is nonsense. He was hurt but when healthy he has been a force this year.

Queen is not underachieving. He started slow but he has been playing great since the bye.

Calvin Austin has 4 TD’s and is averaging 16.8 ypc.

Read the thread. Based on their 2023 production

[feltdizz]

Read the thread. Based on their 2023 production

Calvin Austin only had 180 yards and 1 TD in 2023. Clearly he is overachieving with almost 400 yards and 4 TD’s in 2024.

Alex has been hurt and only played in 7 games this year but he only needs 3 more sacks and 3 more QB knock downs to match his 2023 production and still has 4 games left.

[Captain Lemming]

Great thread Joel, thanks. Well I understand that under your rules Highsmith is underachieving, I would suggest that exceeding or missing expectations is a better method. By THAT standard Highsmith is not underachieving.

Nevertheless, good thread.

One last category?

The team as a whole as reflected in your list is massively overachieving having met season record expectations IN NOVEMBER.

It happens every year Tomlin disappoints fans who demand all this postseason success with 8-9 last place in division talent.

That is why people need to understand:

[Joel Buchsbaum]

Great thread Joel, thanks. Well I understand that under your rules Highsmith is underachieving, I would suggest that exceeding or missing expectations is a better method. By THAT standard Highsmith is not underachieving.

Nevertheless, good thread.

One last category?

The team as a whole as reflected in your list is massively overachieving having met season record expectations IN NOVEMBER.

It happens every year Tomlin disappoints fans who demand all this postseason success with 8-9 last place in division talent.

That is why people need to understand:

The 2024 Steelers greatly benefited from a hot draft/ rookie free agent class AND a good free agency. Khan made some good trades too.

Highsmith is a very good player, it's just part of expectations that have to do with availability.

[Mr.wizard]

The 2024 Steelers greatly benefited from a hot draft/ rookie free agent class AND a good free agency. Khan made some good trades too.

Highsmith is a very good player, it's just part of expectations that have to do with availability.

The Steelers were picked to finish last after their draft and offseason moves.

[feltdizz]

The Steelers were picked to finish last after their draft and offseason moves.

and Joel picked us to win 9 games.. lol

[hawaiiansteel]

We have definitely overachieved.

[Buzz]

Joel, interesting thread.

You wrote of Elandon Roberts: "He's OK but not needed as much in the modern NFL." I think you might see how much he's needed in this Philly game.

You wrote of Patrick Queen: "Has not come close to playing up to his reputation." I think he's been very good since the bye and even outstanding in some games.

I also think Highsmith has shown his value to our D... noticeable improvement when he's in; we need him setting the edge on the side opposite TJ, IMO.

Of course, there are those on this board who would argue that since you and I haven't coached or played at the NFL level, we are both entirely out of line to be making any of these kinds of judgments, LOL.

[hawaiiansteel]

Of course, there are those on this board who would argue that since you and I haven't coached or played at the NFL level, we are both entirely out of line to be making any of these kinds of judgments, LOL.

What, you haven't played or coached in the NFL like all the rest of us?

You and Joel shouldn't be posting here then...

[Joel Buchsbaum]

and Joel picked us to win 9 games.. lol

I have been right on the money or a game off for the past four years. You have been seeing through rose-colored glasses.

[Joel Buchsbaum]

Joel, interesting thread.

You wrote of Elandon Roberts: "He's OK but not needed as much in the modern NFL." I think you might see how much he's needed in this Philly game.

You wrote of Patrick Queen: "Has not come close to playing up to his reputation." I think he's been very good since the bye and even outstanding in some games.

I also think Highsmith has shown his value to our D... noticeable improvement when he's in; we need him setting the edge on the side opposite TJ, IMO.

Of course, there are those on this board who would argue that since you and I haven't coached or played at the NFL level, we are both entirely out of line to be making any of these kinds of judgments, LOL.

Amen. But Wilson's game is needed vs Rb's, Qb's, Te's. Roberts needs to play in a much narrower space.

I do not think Queen has played as well as did on the Ravens.