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  • hawaiiansteel
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    Originally posted by WindyCitySteel

    Overcame everyone but Pickens, someone they almost boasted about not having a backup plan for.
    Pfft.

    The Steelers made a serious effort to trade for another WR, but it just didn't work out.

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  • WindyCitySteel
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    Originally posted by NorthCoast

    Yep... and some more than others:
    Overcame everyone but Pickens, someone they almost boasted about not having a backup plan for.

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  • NorthCoast
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    Originally posted by WindyCitySteel
    Yep... and some more than others:

    Injury Type Times Reported Games Played Pct Team
    Questionable 16 4 25.00% PIT
    Doubtful 3 0 0.00% PIT
    Out 46 0 0.00% PIT
    Injured Reserve 156 0 0.00% PIT
    Questionable 38 23 60.53% BAL
    Doubtful 7 0 0.00% BAL
    Out 27 0 0.00% BAL
    Injured Reserve 106 0 0.00% BAL
    Questionable 58 39 67.24% LAC
    Doubtful 10 0 0.00% LAC
    Out 22 0 0.00% LAC
    Injured Reserve 122 0 0.00% LAC
    Questionable 39 17 43.59% BUF
    Doubtful 3 0 0.00% BUF
    Out 26 0 0.00% BUF
    Injured Reserve 54 0 0.00% BUF
    Questionable 6 5 83.33% KC
    Doubtful 1 0 0.00% KC
    Out 21 0 0.00% KC
    Injured Reserve 96 0 0.00% KC

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  • WindyCitySteel
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    Originally posted by NorthCoast

    Windy, half the starting secondary was out last game. Denver currently has one player listed as OUT (starting RCB). Baltimore has one player listed as OUT. Chargers have two listed as OUT, no starters.
    Everyone has players on IR.

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  • NorthCoast
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    Originally posted by WindyCitySteel

    What team doesn’t have injuries? It’s a 17-game season, every team will deal with injuries. The Steelers braintrust built that WR room and doubled down on the defense of it multiple times.
    Windy, half the starting secondary was out last game. Denver currently has one player listed as OUT (starting RCB). Baltimore has one player listed as OUT. Chargers have two listed as OUT, no starters.

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  • WindyCitySteel
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    Originally posted by NorthCoast

    With an uninjured roster I agree. With the current injuries on both sides of the ball, which playoff bound team are they better than? They might be able to beat Denver. That is about it.
    What team doesn’t have injuries? It’s a 17-game season, every team will deal with injuries. The Steelers braintrust built that WR room and doubled down on the defense of it multiple times.

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  • NorthCoast
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    Originally posted by WindyCitySteel

    From where we sit now, if the ceiling is simply “being competitive in a playoff game”, this season was an abject failure.
    With an uninjured roster I agree. With the current injuries on both sides of the ball, which playoff bound team are they better than? They might be able to beat Denver. That is about it.

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  • hawaiiansteel
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    Originally posted by WindyCitySteel
    From where we sit now, if the ceiling is simply “being competitive in a playoff game”, this season was an abject failure.
    Pfft.

    Vegas had the Steelers over/under win total at only 8.5 games for this season.

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  • WindyCitySteel
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    Originally posted by papillon
    What if the Steelers limp home and lose the 3 of the last 4 games or all of them (which, imo is possible)? Maybe, they win a playoff game and then get beat in the divisional round. Is a year older Wilson worth much or do you just move on and have the growing pains with Fields? The next 3 games may determine how Wilson gets paid or doesn't. Winning this weekend isn't going to be easy or guaranteed, the Chiefs with or without Mahommes are better on offense and at least as good defensively, hopefully, the Bengals are out of the playoff picture by the time we play that game.

    My point is that I believe the Steelers need to look like a legitimate contender to pay Wilson big money and limping down the stretch isn't looking like a contender. 0-1 and looking terrible, so far.

    Pappy
    If they were to choose Fields over Wilson, one would hope they’re seeing things on the practice field since he’s been benched. Hopefully he’s learning from Wilson.

    I like that’s staying positive and engaged, but don’t see this happening unless they spiral out of control. Russ will likely be back barring a bad game in a one and one playoff loss.

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  • Eich
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    Originally posted by hawaiiansteel
    Steelers Russell Wilson Takes Blame for Mistakes vs Ravens & Makes Super Bowl Remark: "Nobody Quit"
    I like that he takes the blame. He's a good dude. And he's right, his mistakes were the major reasons for the loss.

    On his run, that was one of the worst attempts at juking the defender I've seen. It looked like he ran right towards the defender.

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  • Captain Lemming
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    Originally posted by feltdizz

    YES!!! The Giants screwed up paying Jones and letting Barkley go. Why wouldn’t they throw money at Russ to try and win back the fans?

    Teams like the Jets and Giants need a buzz.

    Rodgers was trash in GB his last year and a coach killer and the Jets still went after him, let him miss camp and got another HC fired.

    These are the teams who make these types of moves Cap.

    Inot about if WE would make that move. If I was the Giants GM I would’ve never paid Jones, I would’ve gave Russ the starting gig and I would’ve gave Barkley like $20 Mill to show how paying an elite RB’s big money doesn’t kill your cap.. lol!!!
    Kill your “CAP?”
    Dont like how you said that.

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  • hawaiiansteel
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    Steelers Russell Wilson Takes Blame for Mistakes vs Ravens & Makes Super Bowl Remark: "Nobody Quit"

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  • papillon
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    What if the Steelers limp home and lose the 3 of the last 4 games or all of them (which, imo is possible)? Maybe, they win a playoff game and then get beat in the divisional round. Is a year older Wilson worth much or do you just move on and have the growing pains with Fields? The next 3 games may determine how Wilson gets paid or doesn't. Winning this weekend isn't going to be easy or guaranteed, the Chiefs with or without Mahommes are better on offense and at least as good defensively, hopefully, the Bengals are out of the playoff picture by the time we play that game.

    My point is that I believe the Steelers need to look like a legitimate contender to pay Wilson big money and limping down the stretch isn't looking like a contender. 0-1 and looking terrible, so far.

    Pappy

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  • Northern_Blitz
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    Originally posted by NorthCoast

    And now he is sitting on the bench...

    Of the 'well seasoned' QB contracts in the last couple years, only Stafford's has paid off for their team.

    I'm starting to come around to the idea of running it back with a cheaper Fields until the Steelers can draft their next franchise QB.

    Here's another view of Wilson's projected contract. Comes pretty close to what DeFabo said in The Athletic writeup:

    Projecting a Russell Wilson contract as he enters free agency this offseason

    © Photo by Mitchell Leff/Getty Images
    It wasn’t too long ago that Russell Wilson was an albatross to the Denver Broncos and they benched him in order to not have to pay him more money in the future. Now after a redemptive season with the Pittsburgh Steelers, Wilson is in line to cash in again.

    Wilson is already the fourth-highest paid player in NFL history and even a mediocre deal would allow him to pass Tom Brady for third on the list.

    But how do you establish a market value for Wilson, a player who was paid the league’s minimum salary by the Steelers in 2024 while his former team foot the bill? Do you go off his previous contract, which the Broncos were willing to eat just to get rid of him, or do something else?

    Comparable ceilings for a new Russell Wilson contract
    Let’s start with Wilson’s age. The QB just turned 36 this season, so he won’t be signing a long-term extension at the top of the market like the guys in their 20s did over the past few offseasons. He’s more in line with deals for Aaron Rodgers, Matthew Stafford, and Kirk Cousins. None of them are in the top 10 in terms of average compensation per year.

    The NFL’s Highest-Paid Quarterbacks in 2024
    Russell Wilson’s 2022 deal
    Age at signing: 34
    Length: Five years
    Average money: $48.5 million/season
    Fully guaranteed: $124 million (first three seasons)
    Additional info: Broncos also sent trade compensation to Seahawks
    2021 stats: 64.8% completions, 7.8 yards per attempt, 222.4 yards per game, 103.1 rating (Pro Bowl)

    Matthew Stafford’s 2022 deal
    Age at signing: 34
    Length: Four years
    Average money: $40 million/season ($44.5 million/year first two seasons)
    Fully guaranteed: $63 million (first two years $89 million)
    Additional info: $57 million rolling guarantee in 2023 offseason for 2024 season
    2021 stats: 67% completions, 8.1 yards per attempt, 287.4 yards per game, 102.8 rating

    Aaron Rodgers’ 2023 deal
    Age at signing: 39
    Length: Three years
    Average money: $37.5 million/season
    Fully guaranteed: $75 million (first two years)
    Additional info: Jets had to send trade compensation to Green Bay
    2022 stats: 64.6% completions, 6.8 yards per attempt, 217.4 yards per game, 91.1 rating (MVP in 2020 and 2021)

    Kirk Cousins’ 2024 deal
    Age at start of season: 36
    Length: Four years
    Average money: $45 million/season
    Fully guaranteed: $90 million (first two years)
    Additional info: Was the only one of the three who who signed as a free agent
    2023 stats: 69.5% completions, 7.5 yards per attempt, 291.4 yards per game, 103.8 rating (only played 8 games due to Achilles injury)

    Russell Wilson’s current numbers
    Age at signing: 36
    2024 stats (as of this writing): 64.7% completions, 8.1 yards per attempt, 239 yards per game, 103 rating
    Potential takeaways from the four contracts
    Wilson’s 2024 numbers line up with those other older quarterbacks, so if you take these four contract details and piece them together, you’re looking at two years guaranteed at around $40-$45 million per year with one or two team option years tacked on the end. It may tick slightly higher on average since, like Cousins, Wilson will be potentially hitting the free-agent market.
    Let’s also be incredibly clear — the only deal on this list that worked out for the team that signed it was the Stafford deal. To get there, the Rams had to live through a very down 2022 season, too.

    Comparable floors for a new Russell Wilson contract
    Wilson is going to be signed to start somewhere, so that takes the ultra-low dollars off the table. That establishes his absolute floor at Jacoby Brissett bridge quarterback level of $8 million, but we aren’t even going to break that out because it’s unrealistically low.

    Geno Smith’s 2023 deal
    Age at signing: 33
    Length: Three years
    Average money: $25 million/season
    Fully guaranteed: $27.3 million (first year only)
    Additional info: Played in 2022 on a one-year, $3.5 million deal in Seattle.
    2022 stats: 69.8% completions, 7.5 yards per attempt, 251.9 yards per game, 100.9 rating

    Kirk Cousins’ 2022 deal
    Age at start of season: 36
    Length: One season
    Average money: $35 million/season
    Fully guaranteed: $35 million
    Additional info: He was already signed for 2022, so this contract added a fully guaranteed 2023 year, ostensibly making it a two-year, $70 million fully guaranteed contract.
    2021 stats: 66.3% completions, 7.5 yards per attempt, 263.8 yards per game, 103.1 rating (Pro Bowl)

    Potential takeaways from the two contracts
    Smith coming off his own reclamation project in Seattle wanted to stick around in 2023, especially because there was ample opportunity in the NFL Draft for teams to select QBs. Three of the top four picks were quarterback while another was taken 33 overall. This firmly established the middle class of quarterbacks, a place into which Baker Mayfield has subsequently slotted but he’s much younger.

    With the Cousins deal, he wasn’t a true free agent and he was looking for multiple years of fully guaranteed money. A two-year, $70 million deal for Wilson would probably make the new team pretty happy.

    That makes the absolute floor for Wilson the Smith contract at $25 million per season, but with Wilson’s much more established track record, I think it’s reasonable to think he’s going to make at least Cousins/Vikings money.

    What is the quarterback market going to look like?
    The QB market this offseason is going to be absolutely fascinating.

    Which teams could be on the starting QB-needy list?
    • New York Jets
    • New York Giants
    • Cleveland Browns
    • Pittsburgh Steelers
    • Tennessee Titans
    • Carolina Panthers
    • Las Vegas Raiders
    • San Francisco 49ers
    Lets say the 49ers are okay keeping Brock Purdy despite his down year and the Panthers stick with the glimpses they have seen from Bryce Young. Aaron Rodgers has said he wants to be back and with the Jets, but their situation is so up in the air, I want to keep them on here.

    2025 NFL Draft prospects at quarterback
    In 2024, the NFL Draft saw multiple players taken in the top 12 picks but in 2025, the NFL Draft looks pretty slim. There may only be one QB taken in the first round, so if teams want a new quarterback, they will have to look at free agents.

    With six teams looking for a starting quarterback with one NFL Draft prospect capable of stepping into the role (and it’s going to be argued he needs some seasoning, anyway).

    2025 NFL free agent quarterbacks class
    There will be at least some competition on the free agent market alongside Wilson. If the Jets need a quarterback, Aaron Rodgers were theoretically be available after a release, so we are going to put him on here. Some really interesting starting-level options here.

    Here are the current free agents plus Rodgers:
    • Aaron Rodgers
    • Sam Darnold
    • Justin Fields
    • Joe Flacco
    • Jameis Winston
    • Jimmy Garoppolo
    You could also see a Kirk Cousins on the trade market alongside Bryce Young, Gardner Minshew, or Aiden O’Connell.
    On this list, who would you take over the way Wilson has played in 2024? The list probably starts and ends with Darnold in Minnesota’s QB-friendly system with three outstanding receiving weapons and a running game.

    Contract projection for Russell Wilson in the 2025 offseason
    Three years, $135 million
    Including two years, $95 million guaranteed

    This is higher than I was expecting to go when I started writing this article, but I think the lack of medium-end starters in the draft and free agent markets is going to work in Wilson’s favor and he’s going to be the cream of the crop.

    The Steelers have plenty of cap space to get this done because they were prepping their roster for an eventual Kenny Pickett extension after drafting him high and then they only paid Wilson $1.2 million in 2024. If these two sides can come together on language, it feels like a no-brainer.

    Wilson visited with the Giants in the 2024 offseason and if Brian Daboll and Joe Schoen are given another year, they’ll want an established starter. The same can be said for Tom Telesco and the las Vegas Raiders, though they may have a longer time horizon on desperation with Tom Brady stepping into an organizational role.


    The $95 million guaranteed would eventually put him over $400 million for his career, and into at least third place on the career earning list behind Rodgers and Stafford. Cousins is nipping at his heels at the moment.

    It’s clear he is going to have suitors this offseason and will cash in.


    https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl...6b389aba&ei=49
    If they go this way, I won't be upset about it.

    But I think the most likely outcome is that they're going to resign Wilson.

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  • NorthCoast
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    Originally posted by WindyCitySteel

    Threads if B86S was the lone moderator:

    “The Pittsburgh Steelers play the Baltimore Ravens on Saturday”

    “The Steelers wear black and gold uniforms”

    “The NFL draft is scheduled for late April”

    “OT: Other declarative statements"
    Forgot his favorite: "It just comes down to execution"

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