The biggest difference is Russ play?

[Captain Lemming]

It WAS NOT play calling as people here have implied. Mostly Russ is just checking down quickly.

Russ had early success going deep at first. Why? As a team we were NOT going deep frequently for YEARS.

Teams started doubling deep and Russ either forced deep incompletions, checked down late resulting in no YAC, or took sacks.

Am I the only one who kept seeing open check downs when he locked on deep routes and took sacks? Repeatedly.

I know Russ and or the coaches saw it and fixed it.

And much of the pass emphasis was Russ changing out of runs based on what he saw, according to Najee.

Nevertheless, unlike prior QBs ignoring deep passing Russ took several shots when he had the opportunity.

Run, pass, short, deep, all it was is a savvy veteran being given full freedom to take whatever the defense gives him. And a defensive simply cannot cover everything.

Dont believe me? Listen to Colt. Spot on.

[Eich]

I believe you! Now, let's see it against the Clowns. And for the final 4. Go Russ. Go Steelers!

[steeler_fan_in_t.o.]

It WAS NOT play calling as people here have implied. Mostly Russ is just checking down quickly.

Russ had early success going deep at first. Why? As a team we were NOT going deep frequently for YEARS.

Teams started doubling deep and Russ either forced deep incompletions, checked down late resulting in no YAC, or took sacks.

Am I the only one who kept seeing open check downs when he locked on deep routes and took sacks? Repeatedly.

I know Russ and or the coaches saw it and fixed it.

And much of the pass emphasis was Russ changing out of runs based on what he saw, according to Najee.

Nevertheless, unlike prior QBs ignoring deep passing Russ took several shots when he had the opportunity.

Run, pass, short, deep, all it was is a savvy veteran being given full freedom to take whatever the defense gives him. And a defensive simply cannot cover everything.

Dont believe me? Listen to Colt. Spot on.

I didn't take the time to listen to it as it's 25 minutes but call it what you want, this was a switch in coaching/play calling/decision making/philosophy compared to previous games. In the last few games the play may have had a primary receiver going deep, with an open check down who Russ ignored, but last week the check down guy was the primary receiver and the deep guy was the spread the field decoy. The ball was in the receiver's hands before anything downfield even had a chance to develop.

[Captain Lemming]

I didn't take the time to listen to it as it's 25 minutes but call it what you want, this was a switch in coaching/play calling/decision making/philosophy compared to previous games. In the last few games the play may have had a primary receiver going deep, with an open check down who Russ ignored, but last week the check down guy was the primary receiver and the deep guy was the spread the field decoy. The ball was in the receiver's hands before anything downfield even had a chance to develop.

Try watching is before saying I was wrong. Colt McCoy literally tells us what Russ saw. What WE see as lay folks as a decoy is a legit option.

What you miss is WHEN the check down happens according to someone who played the position.

The video breaks the plays down. He literally says “Russ knows where he is going before the ball is snapped” on one play, which would seem to support your point. But he tells us what Russ SEES IN THE MOMENT in a presnap READ to determine that.

This is why I emphasized “quick” checkdowns. We are not talking about everyone is covered downfield dump offs. Colt described the decision being made pretty much as soon as he knows what the coverage was which is very quick. Mostly right after the snap. Tells us what Russ sees.

Deep shots were decided on before the receiver was even open. Conversely, checkdowns were decided without seeing if a receiver could beat certain coverages.

Defensive schemes dictated where the ball was going from go period. Colt breaks it down very nicely.

Colt emphasized THE EXACT SAME PLAY being called repeatedly resulting in success at all levels based on those quick reads. He tells us what Russ sees that dictated his choices.

Watch is video. Seeing what a QB sees is very instructive.

[Chucktownsteeler]

Just win baby.

[NorthCoast]

It WAS NOT play calling as people here have implied. Mostly Russ is just checking down quickly.

Russ had early success going deep at first. Why? As a team we were NOT going deep frequently for YEARS.

Teams started doubling deep and Russ either forced deep incompletions, checked down late resulting in no YAC, or took sacks.

Am I the only one who kept seeing open check downs when he locked on deep routes and took sacks? Repeatedly.

I know Russ and or the coaches saw it and fixed it.

And much of the pass emphasis was Russ changing out of runs based on what he saw, according to Najee.

Nevertheless, unlike prior QBs ignoring deep passing Russ took several shots when he had the opportunity.

Run, pass, short, deep, all it was is a savvy veteran being given full freedom to take whatever the defense gives him. And a defensive simply cannot cover everything.

Dont believe me? Listen to Colt. Spot on.

Russ has one less deep pass than Pickett had in twice as many games started last season.

I just posted elsewhere that Wilson's ability to read a defense and audible are a big factor in the improved offense.

When Romo does the game in a few weeks it will be interesting to hear his comments on how often Russ is changing things up.

Having said all this I'm still hesitant to say this offense can go deep in the playoffs. The Bengals defense is just that godawful. JT O'Sullivan remarked several times about them "I don't know what they are doing.... I don't understand this defense".

[Northern_Blitz]

Try watching is before saying I was wrong. Colt McCoy literally tells us what Russ saw. What WE see as lay folks as a decoy is a legit option.

What you miss is WHEN the check down happens according to someone who played the position.

The video breaks the plays down. He literally says “Russ knows where he is going before the ball is snapped” on one play, which would seem to support your point. But he tells us what Russ SEES IN THE MOMENT in a presnap READ to determine that.

This is why I emphasized “quick” checkdowns. We are not talking about everyone is covered downfield dump offs. Colt described the decision being made pretty much as soon as he knows what the coverage was which is very quick. Mostly right after the snap. Tells us what Russ sees.

Deep shots were decided on before the receiver was even open. Conversely, checkdowns were decided without seeing if a receiver could beat certain coverages.

Defensive schemes dictated where the ball was going from go period. Colt breaks it down very nicely.

Colt emphasized THE EXACT SAME PLAY being called repeatedly resulting in success at all levels based on those quick reads. He tells us what Russ sees that dictated his choices.

Watch is video. Seeing what a QB sees is very instructive.

Note that TO said:

I didn't take the time to listen to it as it's 25 minutes but call it what you want, this was a switch in coaching/play calling/decision making/philosophy compared to previous games.

I think you are saying the same thing.

Were the play calls different? I don't know, but that's something that could be verified.

Was the coaching different? Maybe part of the reason that you see this difference in decision making is because the coaches stressed this. Seems like PF always has his best games against Cincy. I don't know about RB receptions / yards. Maybe that's also true? It certainly might be that there is a coaching emphasis on this stuff against Cincy. This is different than when we played against Bates and Tomlin said it was specifically a coaching point not to throw to the MoF.

Was it decision making? I think everyone says yes. Why were the decisions different? You say the video talks about why. But there could be other reasons too. And reasons that he didn't take those options in the past. Again...I think that there is something different we do against Cincy.

Philosophy? Again...I think the more recent result against Cincy re: points and yards over the middle (to PF specifically) suggest that there is something different we see / exploit here. I also think that we respect the fact that they're super explosive offensively and there's a philosophy shift to throw more...at least I'm pretty sure that our run/pass ratios here are way different than other games (which I guess I should have listed under play calling).

[hawaiiansteel]

Russell Wilson Week 13 Analysis

[NorthCoast]

They passed 50% more than they ran for than any previous game. Whether that was the plan or Russ, only the coaches know.

[Captain Lemming]

Note that TO said:



I think you are saying the same thing.

Were the play calls different? I don't know, but that's something that could be verified.

Was the coaching different? Maybe part of the reason that you see this difference in decision making is because the coaches stressed this. Seems like PF always has his best games against Cincy. I don't know about RB receptions / yards. Maybe that's also true? It certainly might be that there is a coaching emphasis on this stuff against Cincy. This is different than when we played against Bates and Tomlin said it was specifically a coaching point not to throw to the MoF.

Was it decision making? I think everyone says yes. Why were the decisions different? You say the video talks about why. But there could be other reasons too. And reasons that he didn't take those options in the past. Again...I think that there is something different we do against Cincy.

Philosophy? Again...I think the more recent result against Cincy re: points and yards over the middle (to PF specifically) suggest that there is something different we see / exploit here. I also think that we respect the fact that they're super explosive offensively and there's a philosophy shift to throw more...at least I'm pretty sure that our run/pass ratios here are way different than other games (which I guess I should have listed under play calling).

No disagreement here. I said coaches and Russ likely saw this on film and saw opportunities Russ was missing. They were prepared in advance for him to quickly check down. My point is that many of these shorter passes were not because we called a bunch of different plays. Russ saw and was likely coached to change his focus to ATTACK the shorter routes on those plays more.

[Mr.wizard]

Russ was doing alot of checking at the line, I would say most of the success was because of Russ, his pre-snap reads were putting us in great spots.

[WindyCitySteel]

Chicks dig the long ball...

https://x.com/throwthedamball/status/1864707479554097234

[NorthCoast]

Chicks dig the long ball...

https://x.com/throwthedamball/status...07479554097234

Winston is on the high end as well

[feltdizz]

This was play calling AND checking down. We called screens and designed pass plays for Najee.

But the check downs were also quick. Real quick which lets me know the coaches told Russ to stop looking for the big play.

Also, it was a blizzard in CLE and I wonder if part of the issue was visibility.

[WindyCitySteel]

Winston is on the high end as well

Anthony Richardson back there with a t-shirt cannon spraying them all over the place.