Is Warren a bottom 8 running back? I KNOW he is.

[feltdizz]

Warren was split out as a receiver on both the Mike Williams TD and the long Pickens catch to the RZ. The safety dropped down to cover him, leaving Williams one on one with the CB. The deep safety cheated to Pickens side and was way too late in getting over to Williams. It was masterful play design. Warren is a threat that has to be respected in the passing game.

Warren wasn’t split out wide on the Mike Williams TD. He was in the backfield and ran into the flat.

Definitely have to cover him in the flat but he wasn’t split out wide on the game winner.

[Northern_Blitz]

Warren was split out as a receiver on both the Mike Williams TD and the long Pickens catch to the RZ. The safety dropped down to cover him, leaving Williams one on one with the CB. The deep safety cheated to Pickens side and was way too late in getting over to Williams. It was masterful play design. Warren is a threat that has to be respected in the passing game.

That's pretty interesting. Good find!

[NorthCoast]

Warren wasn’t split out wide on the Mike Williams TD. He was in the backfield and ran into the flat.

Definitely have to cover him in the flat but he wasn’t split out wide on the game winner.

You are right. My bad. He was split out wide on the long Pickens catch.

[feltdizz]

You are right. My bad. He was split out wide on the long Pickens catch.

no worries, the DB still had to cover him or he would've been wide open for a long gain. Good play design.

[hawaiiansteel]

Does Jaylen Warren Have A Fumbling Problem?

[Northern_Blitz]

A normal back gets the whistle but Steelers are fighters.

This was the Ben thing too.

Other QBs get flags for hitting the QB. But your QB is giant and strong, so we're not going to throw flags for him.

[feltdizz]

Does Jaylen Warren Have A Fumbling Problem?

due to the amount of touches Warren gets his fumbles are amplified.

so the worry is if he got a larger share of carries his fumbles would increase.

[Buzz]

it's good to have both Harris and Warren

Sunday's game showed why

Yes, Warren coughed up a costly fumble, but we needed him when Harris was hurt, and Warren is a good pass protector in 3rd down situations

and Harris was stellar the last few games, up until his injury

I'm just glad that Tomlin finally decided he doesn't need to be running one back into the ground, the way he did in the past

[Northern_Blitz]

I know that some don't like rate stats (especially when they don't support Najee).

But looking at Warren and fumbles will maybe help people realize that scaling thing by the number of carries a player has had is actually important?

Warren's been in the league since 2022. In that time, he's had 6 fumbles. And he's lost 3. Many (including me) think that he's prone to fumbling and that it's really not good.

Najee is known as a guy who doesn't fumble. In the same time frame (2022-present), he's fumbled 5 times. Lost 3.

The reason that Najee is (correctly) thought to be better at not fumbling is that he has 684 touches in that time, where Warren has 384 touches.

So in that timeframe they've lost the same number of fumbles and Najee only has one fewer fumble. But Najee's fumble rate (0.7%) is significantly better than Warren's (1.6%).

My guess is that people won't mind "carrying the 1" when it confirms what they already believe (I also believe Warren fumbles much more than Najee).

Also...let's pretend I specifically said something about being ranked 8th worst so Lemming doesn't yell at me <smile>

[NorthCoast]

I know that some don't like rate stats (especially when they don't support Najee).

But looking at Warren and fumbles will maybe help people realize that scaling thing by the number of carries a player has had is actually important?

Warren's been in the league since 2022. In that time, he's had 6 fumbles. And he's lost 3. Many (including me) think that he's prone to fumbling and that it's really not good.

Najee is known as a guy who doesn't fumble. In the same time frame (2022-present), he's fumbled 5 times. Lost 3.

The reason that Najee is (correctly) thought to be better at not fumbling is that he has 684 touches in that time, where Warren has 384 touches.

So in that timeframe they've lost the same number of fumbles and Najee only has one fewer fumble. But Najee's fumble rate (0.7%) is significantly better than Warren's (1.6%).

My guess is that people won't mind "carrying the 1" when it confirms what they already believe (I also believe Warren fumbles much more than Najee).

Also...let's pretend I specifically said something about being ranked 8th worst so Lemming doesn't yell at me <smile>

Fields' fumble rate is even higher than Warren's but Tomlin didn't seem to yank him because of it. Double standard.

[feltdizz]

Fields' fumble rate is even higher than Warren's but Tomlin didn't seem to yank him because of it. Double standard.

Fields still playing? Warren came back in on that last drive but didn't touch the rock. Even last year in the Ravens game when he fumbled twice last year they gave Warren the ball on the last play which was crazy to me.. lol.

[feltdizz]

I know that some don't like rate stats (especially when they don't support Najee).

But looking at Warren and fumbles will maybe help people realize that scaling thing by the number of carries a player has had is actually important?

Warren's been in the league since 2022. In that time, he's had 6 fumbles. And he's lost 3. Many (including me) think that he's prone to fumbling and that it's really not good.

Najee is known as a guy who doesn't fumble. In the same time frame (2022-present), he's fumbled 5 times. Lost 3.

The reason that Najee is (correctly) thought to be better at not fumbling is that he has 684 touches in that time, where Warren has 384 touches.

So in that timeframe they've lost the same number of fumbles and Najee only has one fewer fumble. But Najee's fumble rate (0.7%) is significantly better than Warren's (1.6%).

My guess is that people won't mind "carrying the 1" when it confirms what they already believe (I also believe Warren fumbles much more than Najee).

Also...let's pretend I specifically said something about being ranked 8th worst so Lemming doesn't yell at me <smile>

you don't have to scale Warren's fumbles to know its an issue. As soon as it happened everyone pointed out his issues with ball security.

[Captain Lemming]

you don't have to scale Warren's fumbles to know its an issue. As soon as it happened everyone pointed out his issues with ball security.

Come on Dizz, NOBODY KNEW Warren fumbles a lot before we looked up ADVANCED STATS to inform us.

[Northern_Blitz]

Come on Dizz, NOBODY KNEW Warren fumbles a lot before we looked up ADVANCED STATS to inform us.

This post has nothing to do with with Warren being a bottom 8 RB <smile>

[feltdizz]

Come on Dizz, NOBODY KNEW Warren fumbles a lot before we looked up ADVANCED STATS to inform us.

yeah.. it feels like Warren fumbles more because he does so on less touches.

don't need to multiply and carry the one to figure that out.