The difference Russ made last night

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  • steeler_fan_in_t.o.
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    • May 2008
    • 9795

    #31
    Originally posted by WindyCitySteel
    Wilson showed better escapability than I thought he had. He also got a big boost from Warren's pass pro, which is top notch.
    This may be the biggest addition that a healthy Warren brings to the offense, and it was very noticeable.
    http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/k...to_Mike/to.jpg

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    • LPMAN
      Pro Bowler
      • Sep 2021
      • 1774

      #32
      Originally posted by WindyCitySteel
      Gonna piss people off, but his PFF grade was 64, which matches the eye test. This is why box scores and passer rating are notorious liars, especially in small sample sizes.

      The passing GAME as a whole might have rated 109 or whatever it was, but to assign that all to the QB when there were defenders that fell down, balls bouncing off of defenders' helmets to receivers, great catches over defenders on underthrown balls, broken tackles and YAC, wide open play action throws, etc., is terribly misleading.
      PFF might be the dumbest thing on the face of the earth. It takes no account for Russll switching out of bad plays into good plays at the LOS. I could talk for a week on everything that goes over the head of PFF. I mean doesn't it have Porter Jr as one of the worst corners in the league? Guess we should cut him according to PFF. Our entire offense opened up in that game because of Russells ability to stretch the field. Does PFF consider that our running game benefited from the defense being worried about longer passes? LAUGHABLE Eye test? Did you say Eye test? PFF is blind.

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      • NorthCoast
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        • Sep 2008
        • 25357

        #33
        PFN may have a more realistic ranking for QBs in Wk7:

        Week 7 QB Grades
        First, you will find a full list of all quarterbacks from Week 7, listed in order of their QB+ grade and score. Below, you will find an analysis of all qualified quarterbacks and the context for their grades.

        They will be listed alphabetically by first name rather than by grade or score. This will allow readers to quickly find the QB they are looking for in the writeups.

        1) Lamar Jackson | A (83.3)
        2) Trevor Lawrence | A- (75.1)
        3) Jared Goff | B+ (73.7)
        4) Marcus Mariota | B+ (72.
        5) Russell Wilson | B+ (70.6)
        6) Baker Mayfield | B (69.5)
        7) Josh Allen | B (69.2)
        8 ) Geno Smith | B (64.5)
        9) Drake Maye | B- (63.
        10) Sam Darnold | B- (61.5)
        11) Justin Herbert | B- (60.3)
        12) Deshaun Watson | C+ (59.4)
        13) Jordan Love | C+ (59.4)
        14) Bo Nix | C+ (56.9)
        15) Joe Burrow | C+ (56.4)
        16) Mason Rudolph | C (54.1)
        17) Patrick Mahomes | C (53.1)
        18 ) Anthony Richardson | C (51.4)
        19) Kirk Cousins | C (51.1)
        21) Aaron Rodgers | C (50.
        22) Kyler Murray | C- (49.9)
        22) Brock Purdy | C- (48.0)
        23) C.J. Stroud | D+ (42.4)
        22) Spencer Rattler | D+ (41.
        20) Andy Dalton | D+ (41.7)
        23) Daniel Jones | D+ (40.3)
        24) Gardner Minshew II | D- (38.0)
        25) Dorian Thompson-Robinson | D- (32.0)

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        • Oviedo
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          • May 2008
          • 23675

          #34
          Originally posted by LPMAN

          PFF might be the dumbest thing on the face of the earth. It takes no account for Russll switching out of bad plays into good plays at the LOS. I could talk for a week on everything that goes over the head of PFF. I mean doesn't it have Porter Jr as one of the worst corners in the league? Guess we should cut him according to PFF. Our entire offense opened up in that game because of Russells ability to stretch the field. Does PFF consider that our running game benefited from the defense being worried about longer passes? LAUGHABLE Eye test? Did you say Eye test? PFF is blind.
          This...it however has become the "lazy mans" way to sound like an expert discussing football
          "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"

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          • WindyCitySteel
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            • Nov 2011
            • 14628

            #35
            You guys stick to your fantasy stats, that's what real football is all about.

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            • LPMAN
              Pro Bowler
              • Sep 2021
              • 1774

              #36
              Originally posted by WindyCitySteel
              You guys stick to your fantasy stats, that's what real football is all about.
              Russell being a threat to throw opening up the running game, & Russell switching out of bad plays at the LOS is not fantasy stats. Those are intangibles that PFF doesn't account for.

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              • hawaiiansteel
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                • May 2008
                • 34517

                #37
                Steelers Vs. Jets Reaction & Analysis

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                • Northern_Blitz
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                  • Dec 2008
                  • 23235

                  #38
                  Originally posted by WindyCitySteel
                  You guys stick to your fantasy stats, that's what real football is all about.
                  Pretending plays are all the same weight is also not how "real football" works

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                  • feltdizz
                    Legend
                    • May 2008
                    • 26823

                    #39
                    Originally posted by LPMAN

                    PFF might be the dumbest thing on the face of the earth. It takes no account for Russll switching out of bad plays into good plays at the LOS. I could talk for a week on everything that goes over the head of PFF. I mean doesn't it have Porter Jr as one of the worst corners in the league? Guess we should cut him according to PFF. Our entire offense opened up in that game because of Russells ability to stretch the field. Does PFF consider that our running game benefited from the defense being worried about longer passes? LAUGHABLE Eye test? Did you say Eye test? PFF is blind.
                    PFF isn't dumb, but the people who try to weaponize it who are idiots.

                    It's just a site that measures performance, it's not the end all, be all like some try to make it out to be.

                    and its certainly not going to change what we watched during the game.



                    Steelers 27
                    Rats 16

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                    • Chucktownsteeler
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                      • May 2008
                      • 6636

                      #40
                      The only stat I care for is the "W".
                      Help me find my post proving I am a Yinzer!

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                      • Captain Lemming
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                        • Jun 2008
                        • 15960

                        #41
                        Originally posted by WindyCitySteel
                        Wilson showed better escapability than I thought he had. He also got a big boost from Warren's pass pro, which is top notch.
                        That little guy was just stonewalling people. Great blocking.
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                        In view of the fact that Mike Tomlin has matched Cowhers record I give him the designation:

                        TCFCLTC-
                        The Coach Formerly Considered Less Than Cowher

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                        • LPMAN
                          Pro Bowler
                          • Sep 2021
                          • 1774

                          #42
                          Originally posted by feltdizz

                          PFF isn't dumb, but the people who try to weaponize it who are idiots.

                          It's just a site that measures performance, it's not the end all, be all like some try to make it out to be.

                          and its certainly not going to change what we watched during the game.


                          If PFF thinks Joey Porter JR is one of the worst corners in the league then it's not only dumb it's useless. Tell me how i am wrong specifically on grading Porter?

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                          • hawaiiansteel
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                            • May 2008
                            • 34517

                            #43
                            Russ is Clutch

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                            • WindyCitySteel
                              Legend
                              • Nov 2011
                              • 14628

                              #44
                              More positivity from Windy, dizz only chimes in to bash PFF.

                              I think we know who the real negative nancy is around here.

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                              • NorthCoast
                                Legend
                                • Sep 2008
                                • 25357

                                #45

                                Russell Wilson has been pressured on at least 40 percent of his dropbacks in three of his past four games and four of his past six. There’s some blame on Wilson himself as he holds the ball, and his attempts at extending plays have been his worst quality as a starter this season.

                                He hasn’t created an explosive pass under pressure in any of his previous three games. George Pickens returned against the Chiefs but hasn't been the cure-all for the offense.


                                Note to Smith & Tomlin: if your QB is being pressured that much, you might consider going to quick, short, hurry up passing game instead of long developing routes down field.

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