Is Harris a bottom 8 starting running back? I think he is.

[feltdizz]

What do you think about the success rate data?

Which ranks Najee in the same place, but doesn't have the issues Wizard brings up in this post.

If we want to use baseball analogies:

• The YPC data suggests he's not a home run hitter.
• And the success rate data suggests he doesn't have a particularly good on base percentage either.

Don't care at all about success rate or money ball nerd stats.

[Northern_Blitz]

Don't care at all about success rate or money ball nerd stats.

This is pretty clear <smile>

[feltdizz]

This is pretty clear <smile>

Got that right.. once people start multiplying and carrying the one I lost interest.. lol.

[NorthCoast]

Don't care at all about success rate or money ball nerd stats.

You don't need them to confirm what your eyes see. And the comparison to running styles with Warren and Patterson are stark. You don't describe Warren as a plodder like you do Harris.

[Blitzer]

Harris is certainly doing quite well. this thread not aging well. just like last years posts hating on 22. you would think people would learn not to bet against him.

[NorthCoast]

Harris is certainly doing quite well. this thread not aging well. just like last years posts hating on 22. you would think people would learn not to bet against him.

I won't argue he's not doing well. SIS currently has him ranked as the 3rd best RB in the NFL, behind Henry and Conner. The debate is over his next contract value and his 'fit' in what A. Smith really wants to do on offense. Smith historically has favored the outside zone runs but with Harris they've migrated to the inside zone. So it's not so straightforward when you start comparing his body of work to some of the other RBs in the game today.

Conner is making $7M/yr. Henry is at $8M/yr.

[Joel Buchsbaum]

I think over long periods (like an NFL contract), he's probably average to slightly above average.

Because of the durability, the versatility, and ball security (things that don't really show up in the stats).

It is about time that we use his accolades ( durability ) as paste tense. Rb's tend to decline on their second contrast. Look at recent NFL history or the " stats " I disagree with the versatility point.

[steeler_fan_in_t.o.]

22 freaking pages to just say......

No, he isn't a bottom 8 starter. He's definitely not elite, but he's not bottom 8.

[feltdizz]

22 freaking pages to just say......

No, he isn't a bottom 8 starter. He's definitely not elite, but he's not bottom 8.

In 2024:
13th in 10+ runs
5th in 20+ runs
6th in 30+ runs

far from a bottom 8th RB.

[Chucktownsteeler]

In 2024:
13th in 10+ runs
5th in 20+ runs
6th in 30+ runs

far from a bottom 8th RB.

Don't confuse him with the facts.

[feltdizz]

2023:
10th in 10+ runs
4th in 20+ runs

2022:
23rd in 10+ runs
56th in 20+ runs

2021:
4th in 10+ runs
7th in 20+ runs

Notice anything weird. 2022 Najee had the foot injury but we also had 2 QB's who did not live up to expectations.

Far from bottom 8.

[Captain Lemming]

2023:
10th in 10+ runs
4th in 20+ runs

2022:
23rd in 10+ runs
56th in 20+ runs

2021:
4th in 10+ runs
7th in 20+ runs

Notice anything weird. 2022 Najee had the foot injury but we also had 2 QB's who did not live up to expectations.

Far from bottom 8.

But Dizz, “bottom 8” is not the poi… oh wait it IS. Sorry, carry on.

[Captain Lemming]

I won't argue he's not doing well. SIS currently has him ranked as the 3rd best RB in the NFL, behind Henry and Conner. The debate is over his next contract value and his 'fit' in what A. Smith really wants to do on offense. Smith historically has favored the outside zone runs but with Harris they've migrated to the inside zone. So it's not so straightforward when you start comparing his body of work to some of the other RBs in the game today.

Conner is making $7M/yr. Henry is at $8M/yr.

Somebody needs to reread the title of this thread again.

[WindyCitySteel]

I won't argue he's not doing well. SIS currently has him ranked as the 3rd best RB in the NFL, behind Henry and Conner. The debate is over his next contract value and his 'fit' in what A. Smith really wants to do on offense. Smith historically has favored the outside zone runs but with Harris they've migrated to the inside zone. So it's not so straightforward when you start comparing his body of work to some of the other RBs in the game today.

Conner is making $7M/yr. Henry is at $8M/yr.

Treyveon Henderson would be Arthur Smith’s Terrell Davis.

[Joel Buchsbaum]

And while he success rate was bad in the single game yesterday, he has a below average success rate over long stretches.

I did the last two seasons, then stripped out QBs and guys with fewer than 125 carries (or 75 carries so far this year).

I'll just give the raw rank for his 2nd year and rookie season here:

2nd year: 41st (46.0%)
1st year: 33rd (47.6%)

My guess is that will put him in the mid to late 20s both of these years. Maybe even low 30s in 2nd year...but he was playing hurt that year, which is why I think he's below his career numbers in most things that season.

Thumbs up. Right.