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  • NorthCoast
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    • Sep 2008
    • 24922

    BREAKING: Heyward Extended

    Per Jeremy Fowler
    $29M in new money.. yikes
  • Prowler
    Pro Bowler
    • Apr 2010
    • 1731

    #2
    A horrible move. Never pay an old player on the downside of his career that type of money. This is the first time I'll criticize Khan for this move.








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    • Buzz
      Legend
      • Dec 2017
      • 8020

      #3
      Tend to agree w you two about the foolishness of giving Cam that kind of $$$$. Don't know if you can pin this all on Khan-- Tomlin/Rooney probably insisted they make this deal.

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      • Flasteel
        Hall of Famer
        • May 2008
        • 3855

        #4
        Originally posted by Buzz
        Tend to agree w you two about the foolishness of giving Cam that kind of $$$$. Don't know if you can pin this all on Khan-- Tomlin/Rooney probably insisted they make this deal.
        If I owned the team, I'd insist on it too. It's part of the culture-building process and a component that helps ensure the all-time greats are viewed as Steelers. Of course, that's only predicated on whether they think the player can still contribute. Otherwise, he'd get the Polamalu' treatment. $29M in new money over three years isn't going to strap this team by any means either.
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        • Oviedo
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          • May 2008
          • 23651

          #5
          Originally posted by Flasteel

          If I owned the team, I'd insist on it too. It's part of the culture-building process and a component that helps ensure the all-time greats are viewed as Steelers. Of course, that's only predicated on whether they think the player can still contribute. Otherwise, he'd get the Polamalu' treatment. $29M in new money over three years isn't going to strap this team by any means either.
          This!!! Totally agree. Do the math...this won't prevent them from doing anything significant

          "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"

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          • Buzz
            Legend
            • Dec 2017
            • 8020

            #6
            For his age, Heyward just signed the largest contract of any defensive player in NFL history

            he's already slowing down... do we really think he will find the fountain of youth?

            Sorry, I would not have done this-- father time is undefeated

            I guess a lot of this depends on how much $$$ is guaranteed and what will be the ramifications on the salary cap if we cut him after a year or so
            Last edited by Buzz; 09-03-2024, 06:13 PM.

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            • Northern_Blitz
              Legend
              • Dec 2008
              • 22744

              #7
              Originally posted by NorthCoast
              Per Jeremy Fowler
              $29M in new money.. yikes
              Sounds like it's as expected / hoped for.

              The guaranteed money is this years salary spread over a signing bonus.

              The new money is non-guaranteed salaries of $14MM and $15MM in the next two seasons after this year. So next season he'll see a paycut of $2MM (more than 10%). But he'll get a cap inflation bump if he is still playing the year after that.

              So we save some cap hit this year without spending extra cash. And we gave him a cap hit in future years.

              Without adding any dummy years.

              This is the contract we wanted for Cam.

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              • Northern_Blitz
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                • Dec 2008
                • 22744

                #8
                Originally posted by Buzz
                Tend to agree w you two about the foolishness of giving Cam that kind of $$$$. Don't know if you can pin this all on Khan-- Tomlin/Rooney probably insisted they make this deal.
                This isn't foolish IMO. It's just an option to retain him if he doesn't want to retire / we don't want to cut him after this season.

                It's turning this year's salary into a signing bonus. And adding two "pay as you go" years where his salary is less than it is this year.

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                • Flasteel
                  Hall of Famer
                  • May 2008
                  • 3855

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Northern_Blitz

                  Sounds like it's as expected / hoped for.

                  The guaranteed money is this years salary spread over a signing bonus.

                  The new money is non-guaranteed salaries of $14MM and $15MM in the next two seasons after this year. So next season he'll see a paycut of $2MM (more than 10%). But he'll get a cap inflation bump if he is still playing the year after that.

                  So we save some cap hit this year without spending extra cash. And we gave him a cap hit in future years.

                  Without adding any dummy years.

                  This is the contract we wanted for Cam.
                  Nice breakdown NB...thanks!!
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                  • WindyCitySteel
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                    • Nov 2011
                    • 14258

                    #10
                    What is the dead cap hit if he is cut next year or in 2026?

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                    • feltdizz
                      Legend
                      • May 2008
                      • 26500

                      #11
                      terrible but typical.

                      maybe Heyward has something left but I will not be shocked if he is out or 50% at the end of the season when we need him the most.

                      We love to pay defense.. lol.
                      Stains 29
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                      • NorthCoast
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                        • Sep 2008
                        • 24922

                        #12
                        Originally posted by WindyCitySteel
                        What is the dead cap hit if he is cut next year or in 2026?
                        The guaranteed money is spread over 3 years so after this year I assume the dead cap is in the neighborhood of $10M

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                        • NorthCoast
                          Legend
                          • Sep 2008
                          • 24922

                          #13
                          Originally posted by feltdizz
                          terrible but typical.

                          maybe Heyward has something left but I will not be shocked if he is out or 50% at the end of the season when we need him the most.

                          We love to pay defense.. lol.
                          Well, they paid old man Roethlisberger well past his expiration.

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                          • Northern_Blitz
                            Legend
                            • Dec 2008
                            • 22744

                            #14
                            Originally posted by WindyCitySteel
                            What is the dead cap hit if he is cut next year or in 2026?
                            Just spitballing, but let's imagine that the $16MM he was going to earn is split as $15MM SB and $1MM salary (it has to be more than this probably with his years of service).

                            That means that the $15MM SB is prorated over all 3 years as a cap hit. $5MM each year.

                            That means we save $10MM off this year's cap by pushing it into next year.

                            So if he was cut after this season, dead money would be $10MM next offseason (all of the savings form this year).

                            If he's cut after next season, dead money would be $5MM.

                            But if we don't use the entire $10MM cap savings this year, it rolls into next year (offsetting any potential dead money from cutting him next season).

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                            • Northern_Blitz
                              Legend
                              • Dec 2008
                              • 22744

                              #15
                              Originally posted by feltdizz
                              terrible but typical.

                              maybe Heyward has something left but I will not be shocked if he is out or 50% at the end of the season when we need him the most.

                              We love to pay defense.. lol.
                              Meh

                              No new money for this year. And an option to keep him for 2 years if we want. And cutting him doesn't really hurt either.

                              It's not like it's spectacular or anything. But it's also not bad.

                              I think it's kind of like if they would have options Harris. Not really a big deal either way.

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