The buck stops with Arians...

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About that Steelers' offense . . .

MONDAY, DECEMBER 13, 2010 06:30 AM WRITTEN BY BOB SMIZIK


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It’s not easy to possess the ball for more than 34 minutes against the woebegone Cincinnati Bengals and not score an offensive touchdown. But the Steelers managed that ignominious feat yesterday and it became front and center in any discussion about the team -- more so than the 23-7 victory, the 10-3 record and the superb defense.

The conventional wisdom is the offense is going to keep this team out of the Super Bowl. That could well be true.

There is no question the offense is the Steelers' weakness. The team is in the bottom quarter of the conference in offensive touchdowns and is markedly inept in the red zone.

It goes without saying that the blame for these woes is place by many, if not most, with the offensive coordinator, the widely maligned Bruce Arians. Pittsburgh fans in general and Steelers fan in particular are tough on offensive coordinators. From Tom Moore to Joe Walton to Kevin Gilbride to Arians, the Steelers offensive coordinator has been portrayed as a bumbling fool who never seems to call the right play.

I pay almost no attention to play-calling criticism. I simply do not have enough information in front of me to determine, in most cases, whether the call is the correct one or not. Many fans, however, don’t need any information to make a determination. If the play doesn’t work, they reason, it’s the fault of the offensive coordinator. They never seem to take into consideration there are 11 professional players on the other side of the ball and it takes more than the right play call to defeat them.

No matter, that the play might have been the perfect call, but a failure to execute, possibly by just one player, blew it up. No matter, that the call might have been the right one but on this particular down the defense executed better than the offense. Nope, if the play doesn’t work, the coordinator is an idiot. It’s that simple.

For a minute, let’s remove the offensive coordinator from the conversation and discuss the offensive personnel of the Steelers. If the AFC Pro Bowl team were selected tomorrow, I feel pretty safe in saying no Steelers would be on it. The only ones to even be considered would be quarterback Ben Roethlisberger and wide receivers Hines Ward and Mike Wallace.

Roethlisberger would have a chance of making the team, but would rank behind Tom Brady and Phillip Rivers and in a category -- based on performance this season, which is how these things are decided -- with Matt Cassel, David Garard and Matt Schaub. At wide receiver, Ward is 21st in the conference in receptions and Wallace is 27th in receptions, first in yards per catch and sixth in yards per game. Neither would likely make it.

When you add to this what is looking more and more like an average running back in Rashard Mendenhall -- he's eighth in the league in rushing but third in rushing attempts and with a mediocre 3.9 yard average -- and a line that is substantially below standard and that should explain a lot of the inability of the offense to score.

However, In evaluating the offense and in evaluating Arians, few seem to take these highly relevant facts into account.

All that being said, the buck stops with Arians. The offense in not producing points and that is the clear bottom line for a coordinator.

There’s a chance, perhaps a good one, that Tomlin will choose to remove Arians after this season, unless there is an unexpected upswing in touchdowns.

If that’s the case, the fans won’t have Arians to kick around any more.

Not to worry: The next guy will do just as well.

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Re: The buck stops with Arians...

Mistakes like some of these are come down to coaching them to not be a part of our culture.

But, Ben had a few really bad throws, too. No question that execution and mistakes need addressing, along with the philosophy of the offense, but these all come down to coaching.
 
Re: The buck stops with Arians...

ok, i didn't read the article, but I have to say this about arians:
people who like him are stats guys. they're fantasy football guys.
people who don't like him are the guys who look at situational football and strategy.
He's terrible when it comes to many situations in a football game
we are great between the 20's.. hella offense tons of yards and a lot of fantasy points. get down in the Redzone... I can't remember who said it in chat by it was something like ".. ah the redzone, where the pittsburgh offense goes to dies."
 
Re: The buck stops with Arians...

Interesting discussion on Tunch and Wolfley's show on FM 970 today. They basically went through all the OCs back to Tom Moore for Chuck Noll and summarized how they were ripped for various flaws that they had. Both of them stated they believed that Arians is a good OC (not sure I agree). They also initimated what I have been saying is you can't really evaluate the performance of the offense because of the state of the OL.

But what the heck do two former NFL players who have direct access into the Steelers organization and with the players know?
 
Re: The buck stops with Arians...

I would never profess to having a knowledge base as extensive as BA. He'd blow me out of the water - as he should since he's a professional coach and gets paid a ton of money to use that knowledge.

But I don't have to be an expert (or anywhere near one) to watch this team week in and out and know there's something very wrong - espeicaly when the team gets close to the endzone. And as the offesnsive coordinator he needs to , and should, take a good bit of the blame. It's as if the playbook disappears and he;s just guessing when it comes time to punch it in. That's not good enough and won't win in the playoffs.
 
Re: The buck stops with Arians...

Ghost said:
I would never profess to having a knowledge base as extensive as BA. He'd blow me out of the water - as he should since he's a professional coach and gets paid a ton of money to use that knowledge.

But I don't have to be an expert (or anywhere near one) to watch this team week in and out and know there's something very wrong - espeicaly when the team gets close to the endzone. And as the offesnsive coordinator he needs to , and should, take a good bit of the blame. It's as if the playbook disappears and he;s just guessing when it comes time to punch it in. That's not good enough and won't win in the playoffs.

The very wrong = the Offensive Line

It skews the performance and execution on every play. The perfect play is screwed up by their inconsistent ability to execute, but we blame the play call.
 
Re: The buck stops with Arians...

birtikidis said:
ok, i didn't read the article, but I have to say this about arians:
people who like him are stats guys. they're fantasy football guys.
people who don't like him are the guys who look at situational football and strategy.
He's terrible when it comes to many situations in a football game
we are great between the 20's.. hella offense tons of yards and a lot of fantasy points. get down in the Redzone... I can't remember who said it in chat by it was something like ".. ah the redzone, where the pittsburgh offense goes to dies."

That makes zero sense birt... what fantasy stats are you speaking of? 2 TD's in 31 possessions? That ain't fantasy... that's nightmare.

Those who defend BA are looking at the OL he is working with right now and the boneheaded mistakes/penalties that happen on damn near every positive play.

2nd and goal... play action, Spaeth is wide open and the pass gets batted down. That isn't on the OC.

Don't get me wrong, I think Redman needs more touches and EVERY WR bubble screen should only go to the young players.

I'm just wondering what we can do different to get the ball in the endzone with a bad OL and a banged up QB.
 
Re: The buck stops with Arians...

Ghost said:
I would never profess to having a knowledge base as extensive as BA. He'd blow me out of the water - as he should since he's a professional coach and gets paid a ton of money to use that knowledge.

But I don't have to be an expert (or anywhere near one) to watch this team week in and out and know there's something very wrong - espeicaly when the team gets close to the endzone. And as the offesnsive coordinator he needs to , and should, take a good bit of the blame. It's as if the playbook disappears and he;s just guessing when it comes time to punch it in. That's not good enough and won't win in the playoffs.

The OC takes all of the blame in Pittsburgh... not sure what more people want as far as blame goes.
 
Re: The buck stops with Arians...

An exaggeration might illustrate my point:

If we had one lineman left, the center, and the rest of the guys were patched in from running backs, D-line, etc., we might be smart to consider an adjustment in our RUTM calls. Why? Because the big uglies who are good at blocking for this are gone, and the guys who are doing their best to fill in, are not that good at this blocking.

So, here we are with a bad line (no argument there) that can't protect for very long. So, how about a bunch of quick hit passes, and less RUTM? This line isn't good at it. Deal with it, don't deny it. Right now it seems that we're pretending that it is not an issue.

Does anyone know the ratio of RUTM vs. end arounds or play actions, or whatever? It seems that he won't bring these things in to compensate for the bad line right now.
 
Re: The buck stops with Arians...

I'm just wondering what we can do different to get the ball in the endzone with a bad OL and a banged up QB

Three wide, one TE, and RB.
 
Re: The buck stops with Arians...

All I look at is this.....games are decided by points on the board and we have struggled to punch it in from the redzone for 3 or 4 straight seasons with NO corrective action taking place. Can we blame execution, crappy line play, or what, for this yearly issue?

Arians sucks. Sorry, he does.

Go look at the Steelers vs. Arizona in the Superbowl and watch Arians call run play after run play in the redzone only to kick a FG. Sure, you can say that is execution, I mean theoretically every play should work. But lets get real. Arians offense was designed for between the 20's. Once we get to the 20's, he has no clue.
 
Re: The buck stops with Arians...

Put a 3 step drop in the playbook and take advantage of the speedy WRs and take pressure off the line.
 
Re: The buck stops with Arians...

flippy said:
Put a 3 step drop in the playbook and take advantage of the speedy WRs and take pressure off the line.

:Agree :Agree

We have the receivers and it would take huge pressure off the OL.
 
Re: The buck stops with Arians...

flippy said:
Put a 3 step drop in the playbook and take advantage of the speedy WRs and take pressure off the line.

3 step drop, timing patterns, screens, more shotgun to give Ben more time to survey the field instead of wasting time dropping back.....list goes on and on.....but yeah.....Arians is so smart. He can't see that the line can only hold blocks for so long with how crappy they are.....but he wants to waste some of that time with Ben dropping 5 or 7 steps back.

For those that will argue you have to run in crappy weather...did you watch the Pats at Bears game?
 
Re: The buck stops with Arians...

The very wrong = the Offensive Line

It skews the performance and execution on every play. The perfect play is screwed up by their inconsistent ability to execute, but we blame the play call.

This doesn't explain a 15 play drive that takes up over 9 minutes and end with a punt. Yeah, the penalties hurt and moved us back but the O was able to overcome them and continue to make 1st downs until they get close. They can't score TD's. That's my question - why does it look like a different team - right now it looks damn near impossible to punch it in the last 10 to 20 yards but they've been moving the ball, sometimes well.

Every drive can't be a TD but 2 out of 30 or 31 is ridiculously bad. Some of that falls on the play calling. It has to.
 
Re: The buck stops with Arians...

feltdizz said:
Ghost said:
I would never profess to having a knowledge base as extensive as BA. He'd blow me out of the water - as he should since he's a professional coach and gets paid a ton of money to use that knowledge.

But I don't have to be an expert (or anywhere near one) to watch this team week in and out and know there's something very wrong - espeicaly when the team gets close to the endzone. And as the offesnsive coordinator he needs to , and should, take a good bit of the blame. It's as if the playbook disappears and he;s just guessing when it comes time to punch it in. That's not good enough and won't win in the playoffs.

The OC takes all of the blame in Pittsburgh... not sure what more people want as far as blame goes.

The people who matter - the head coach, the GM, the ownership (with decades of experience) taking a look if to see if the Steelers would be better served by some new blood at the OC position.
 
Re: The buck stops with Arians...

I hate Arians with a burning passion and believe most of our Offensive woes could essentially be solved by removing him. However, Ben is not producing very well either, IMO. I love him, but he is insistent on waiting until a play breaks down before releasing the ball.

The only thing that could justify this would be absolutely no separation by the wide outs. I find that hard to believe. Wallace,at least, can get a step or 2 on a DB before the designed play becomes sandlot football.

Doe Ben not trust his receivers to hit the spot of a designed throw? Does he not trust himself to read a D? Remember, he used to throw a lot more picks when he tried to play conventional QB. And it was usually the underneath guy he didnt account for hat got that pick.

Lastly, it could be Arians plays are so generic that it isn't hard for any given defense to read and blanket receivers routes. Granted, Ben doesn't have a lot of time to throw the ball, but 50% of the time he is waitng too long to throw it.
 
Re: The buck stops with Arians...

feltdizz said:
Ghost said:
I would never profess to having a knowledge base as extensive as BA. He'd blow me out of the water - as he should since he's a professional coach and gets paid a ton of money to use that knowledge.

But I don't have to be an expert (or anywhere near one) to watch this team week in and out and know there's something very wrong - espeicaly when the team gets close to the endzone. And as the offesnsive coordinator he needs to , and should, take a good bit of the blame. It's as if the playbook disappears and he;s just guessing when it comes time to punch it in. That's not good enough and won't win in the playoffs.

The OC takes all of the blame in Pittsburgh... not sure what more people want as far as blame goes.

Go read how the Ravens are slamming Cam Cameron who is held up as an example of a good OC by many Arians haters.

OC is the most thankless position in football. Everyone thinks they know the play call when they really don't and if things are good the players get all the credit and if they are bad it is all on the OC.
 
Re: The buck stops with Arians...

Oviedo said:
flippy said:
Put a 3 step drop in the playbook and take advantage of the speedy WRs and take pressure off the line.

:Agree :Agree

We have the receivers and it would take huge pressure off the OL.

I saw slants, screens, bad ones but hey, I saw them... and a few nifty things thrown in as well...

bottom line is our OL was still getting run over and Ben was getting pressure before he made his third step in the drop.

Shotgun? Doesn't matter... even when it works we get a penalty or we stall in the red zone.

Maybe a better OC will fix this... or maybe a rested Ben after the bye in the playoffs will fix this.

I know Ben is a God on here but this isn't the first time he has been banged up and our production has fallen off a cliff midseason.
 
Re: The buck stops with Arians...

SteelCrazy said:
I hate Arians with a burning passion and believe most of our Offensive woes could essentially be solved by removing him. However, Ben is not producing very well either, IMO. I love him, but he is insistent on waiting until a play breaks down before releasing the ball.

The only thing that could justify this would be absolutely no separation by the wide outs. I find that hard to believe. Wallace,at least, can get a step or 2 on a DB before the designed play becomes sandlot football.

Doe Ben not trust his receivers to hit the spot of a designed throw? Does he not trust himself to read a D? Remember, he used to throw a lot more picks when he tried to play conventional QB. And it was usually the underneath guy he didnt account for hat got that pick.

Lastly, it could be Arians plays are so generic that it isn't hard for any given defense to read and blanket receivers routes. Granted, Ben doesn't have a lot of time to throw the ball, but 50% of the time he is waitng too long to throw it.

Glad someone else had the balls to say it...

Ben is very "unconventional and in the red zone the holes are much smaller...

His bread and butter was the Hines slant in the endzone... It would be nice to see the Wallace slant in the endzone.
 
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