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Will Kenny Pickett or Mitch Trubisky start? Handicapping Pittsburgh Steelers' QB competition

May 13, 2022
Brooke Pryor
ESPN Staff Writer

PITTSBURGH -- The last time the Pittsburgh Steelers had an open quarterback competition, Jim Miller, Mike Tomczak and Kordell Stewart were vying for the job during the 1996 offseason.

Now, nearly three decades later, a new trio of challengers are preparing to compete for the job. That evaluation begins this weekend when Kenny Pickett suits up as a Steeler for the first time at the UPMC Rooney Sports Complex for rookie minicamp.

With Ben Roethlisberger’s retirement, the Steelers spent their offseason retooling and reloading in an effort to find his replacement. After free agency and the NFL draft, the Steelers came away with three additions. Joining Mason Rudolph in the quarterback room will be Mitch Trubisky, Pickett and Chris Oladokun.

Realistically, seventh-round pick Oladokun isn’t in the mix for the starting job, making this a three-man race. Will it be the rookie, the free-agent acquisition looking to turn things around or the in-house candidate attempting to make a statement?


The Steelers used their first-round pick, No. 20 overall, to draft Kenny Pickett, but does that mean he'll get the starting nod in Week 1? AP Photo/Keith Srakocic
Kenny Pickett
NFL experience: Rookie


Why he has a chance to be the starter: The Steelers don’t view their first-round pick as a developmental project, putting him firmly in the mix to be the Week 1 starter. After drafting the 24-year-old Pickett with the 20th pick, Mike Tomlin said the quarterback will get the opportunity to compete for the starting job, and both Tomlin and general manager Kevin Colbert said Pickett’s decision to stay in college for another year greatly aided in his maturity and development.

In a Pittsburgh radio interview, Colbert compared Pickett’s last season at Pitt to a rookie season in the NFL.

“It’s almost like he spent his rookie NFL season at the college level, and really mastered it,” Colbert told 105.9 The X. “Coach [Pat] Narduzzi and coach [Mark] Whipple provided him an opportunity to take that step in a pro schematic. And it is easier to project those types of players and those schematics to our level. It’s not that the others that play in a more college-type offense can’t do it -- it’s just more guesswork.”

Pickett also has the benefit of reuniting with offensive coordinator Matt Canada, who recruited him to Pitt. The two never worked together on the college level, as Canada left for LSU, but Pickett is familiar with Canada’s concepts and Canada obviously felt Pickett fit in with what he wanted to do.

Why he’s vulnerable: Pickett is a rookie. Yes, he’ll be in the friendly confines of Heinz Field and a city that embraced him during his college career, but the transition to the NFL shouldn’t be underestimated. There’s adjusting to NFL defenses and the speed of the game, plus learning a new playbook.

But Whipple, who coached Pickett for three seasons at Pitt and worked with Roethlisberger as his quarterbacks coach during his first three seasons, believes Pickett’s transition to the NFL won’t be as difficult as it is for other rookies because he’s staying in a familiar environment.

“I don't know if it's the easiest transition,” Whipple said, “but it's pretty much easier than maybe Ben had it or other rookies that I had at Cleveland.”

Mitch Trubisky
NFL experience: 5 years


Why he has a chance to be the starter: The Steelers added Trubisky on the first day of free agency, working quickly to bring in the former No. 2 pick.

"He’s young and experienced," Tomlin said in March. "He's won -- to be quite honest with you -- he's probably won more than anybody else that was kind of in the field."

He spent the past year in Buffalo as Josh Allen’s backup and saw action in six games, completing 6 of 8 attempts for 43 yards and an interception. But he said that year in Buffalo was valuable after a four-season stint in Chicago, where he flourished in his second year before struggling in his final two.

Trubisky’s strength in this quarterback competition is his veteran experience and a skill set that meshes well with Canada’s scheme.

Why he’s vulnerable: Trubisky hasn’t played meaningful minutes since 2020, and in his last season as Chicago’s starter, he threw 16 touchdown passes to eight interceptions. He was also benched in Week 3 for Nick Foles, though Trubisky was eventually reinstated by Week 12. Still, he was inconsistent throughout his career with the Bears, and the work he’s put in since has been mostly out of sight. The Steelers won’t know for certain if the Jekyll-and-Hyde play is behind him until they get him on the field and in game situations.

Mason Rudolph
NFL experience: 4 years


Why he has a chance to be the starter: With four seasons in the organization, Rudolph is the known quantity of the group. He has the benefit of having worked with Canada for two years, first with Canada as his position coach and then as the Steelers’ offensive coordinator. After Roethlisberger’s retirement, Rudolph talked about getting an opportunity to lead the Steelers the way he wanted, suggesting that he’ll have more freedom to be himself with Roethlisberger gone.


Why he’s vulnerable: Since a tumultuous start to his Steelers career in 2019, when he got thrown in the starting job after Roethlisberger’s season-ending elbow injury in Week 2, Rudolph has largely been an average-to-below-average quarterback in spot starts. His best outing came against the Browns in Week 17 of the 2020 season when he completed 22 of 39 attempts for 315 yards and two touchdowns with an interception in a loss. Rudolph got another shot in 2021 when Roethlisberger tested positive for COVID-19 less than 24 hours before the Steelers played the Detroit Lions, and Rudolph was thrust into the starting job again. This time, he completed 30 of 50 attempts for 242 yards and one touchdown with one interception, and many of the throws were off target and inconsistent. He did have a 26-yard rush, showing off the mobility the Steelers are searching for in their next signal-caller.

"Mason is 5-4-1 as a starter," Colbert said in February. "One of those games this year, he found out he was going to be the starter Saturday night, and he tried to give us what he could. We almost won that game; we didn’t. So, I’m comfortable that Mason has won more games than he’s lost as a starter. Where that can go, we’ll see. To be an NFL starter you can win with, you’ve got to prove it over 16 games, and I’m anxious to see that, if that’s the case.

The bottom line is Rudolph is a serviceable quarterback, but Pickett and Trubisky have higher upsides and playmaking ability that figure to give them a leg up in the competition.
 
Dare I say Trubisky's career arc so far is rather Kordell-esque? Early success, decline, benched, reclaims job late in season. If it continues, he'll have a season like Kordell's 2001, and then we'll sign an XFL QB.
 
got an itch for Mitch?

or a scab to Pickett?

(can't think of anything good for Rudolph)

I think that is only appropriate. If you got nothing nice to say....

You would only be "rude to Rudolph". :)

If you really want to know how I feel, I'd be happy with Mitch or Pickett.

As long as both are DISPLACIN THE MASON. :)
 
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Rookie WR Austin on Pickett: that boy can throw it!!

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Mitch Trubisky as the Week 1 starter is the ideal result to the Steelers’ quarterback competition

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Mitch Trubisky as the Week 1 starter is the ideal result to the Steelers’ quarterback competition

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"Nagy did a bad job" is such a tired narrative. It was his offensive schemes that afforded Trubisky what success he had.
 
"Nagy did a bad job" is such a tired narrative. It was his offensive schemes that afforded Trubisky what success he had.

Okay, so Nagy ISN'T a blind pig. OTOH ANY half bright HC would have tried all kinds
of **** until he finds Mitch's "best fit." You don't spend tons of capital to move up to #2 ,
draft a mook then 86 him after four years. Maybe you do that if Dan Snyder or George Halas'
98-year old daughter is paying you. :)
 
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Maybe Al Davis needed Dan Snyder, Georgia Rosenbloom-Frontiere and
George Halas' 98-year old daughter to do better with JaMarcus Russell
https://youtu.be/s0Xy960CF-k
 
More hating on the Steelers by PFF

[video]https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-2022-quarterback-tiers-seth-galina[/video]

TIER E: LET’S NOT GET OUR HOPES UP
1. CARSON WENTZ, WASHINGTON COMMANDERS
2. MARCUS MARIOTA, ATLANTA FALCONS
3. MITCHELL TRUBISKY, PITTSBURGH STEELERS
4. SAM DARNOLD, CAROLINA PANTHERS
Wentz leads the group with an 82.2 grade over the last five seasons, but he has been spiraling downward since his almost-MVP 2017 season. His 84.9 grade in 2017 was fifth overall that season and it was the high watermark so far in his career. The 2020 season was the low point of his career (65.0 overall grade) but even with a slight bump up to 70.9 last year, he could not lift the Colts into the playoffs with a good group of offensive players.

Even his bump back up to over 70.0 was potentially inflated by metrics that are generally unstable. He ranked in the 73rd and 70th percentiles in grade under pressure and late-down grade. In two key stable metrics — clean pocket grade and early-down grade — he was 25th and 17th, respectively.

Mariota remains a competent starting option but has not played more than 1,000 snaps in a season since 2017.
Trubisky and Darnold are not viable starting options.
 
If he was so good how come he didn't get another OC gig? And now he's back to his old job with his old HC. I'd say that's a step backward.

If Trubisky is so good, why didn't he get a starting gig in 2021 and why is he playing for $5M in 2022 and battling a rookie for his job?

Am I doing it right?
 
More hating on the Steelers by PFF

[video]https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-2022-quarterback-tiers-seth-galina[/video]

TIER E: LET’S NOT GET OUR HOPES UP
1. CARSON WENTZ, WASHINGTON COMMANDERS
2. MARCUS MARIOTA, ATLANTA FALCONS
3. MITCHELL TRUBISKY, PITTSBURGH STEELERS
4. SAM DARNOLD, CAROLINA PANTHERS
Wentz leads the group with an 82.2 grade over the last five seasons, but he has been spiraling downward since his almost-MVP 2017 season. His 84.9 grade in 2017 was fifth overall that season and it was the high watermark so far in his career. The 2020 season was the low point of his career (65.0 overall grade) but even with a slight bump up to 70.9 last year, he could not lift the Colts into the playoffs with a good group of offensive players.

Even his bump back up to over 70.0 was potentially inflated by metrics that are generally unstable. He ranked in the 73rd and 70th percentiles in grade under pressure and late-down grade. In two key stable metrics — clean pocket grade and early-down grade — he was 25th and 17th, respectively.

Mariota remains a competent starting option but has not played more than 1,000 snaps in a season since 2017.
Trubisky and Darnold are not viable starting options.

PFF hating on Trubisky? You can add Pickett as well. Here's their ranking of draft prospects from the last three years (rookies in bold);

QUARTERBACK

  1. Trevor Lawrence, Clemson
  2. Joe Burrow, LSU
  3. Zach Wilson, BYU
  4. Justin Fields, Ohio State
  5. Tua Tagovailoa, Alabama
  6. Trey Lance, North Dakota State
  7. Mac Jones, Alabama
  8. Justin Herbert, Oregon
  9. Malik Willis, Liberty
  10. Sam Howell, North Carolina
There's very little surprise at the top and also very little surprise in where the 2022 class falls. You can quite clearly see why a) Last year’s class was considered so special, and b) Only one quarterback was selected in the first two rounds in 2022. This year’s class was chock-full of quarterbacks who would have been QB3-QB6 in any respectable class, and the NFL treated them as such.

Need more proof of their bias? Najee is the 5th best RB;

RUNNING BACK

  1. Javonte Williams, North Carolina
  2. Kenneth Walker III, Michigan State
  3. Breece Hall, Iowa State
  4. D’Andre Swift, Georgia
  5. Najee Harris, Alabama
  6. Travis Etienne, Clemson
  7. Zack Moss, Utah
  8. Jonathan Taylor, Wisconsin
  9. Clyde Edwards-Helaire, LSU
  10. J.K. Dobbins, Ohio State
While the 2020 class had the best depth of any over the past three years, the rankings quite clearly show that we thought highly of the top two in this year’s class. That really shouldn’t be too hot of a take given how productive each of Walker and Hall was over the course of their careers. Walker led the Power Five in rushing last year, and Hall led the Power Five in rushing back in 2020.

The one player we want a do-over on is quite obviously Jonathan Taylor, who was far too low on PFF’s draft board coming out of college. We clearly overrated his underutilization in the passing game at Wisconsin. I don’t think the Colts could give a darn about his hands now.

The scary thing is, if I were to do this list again in a year’s time, the 2023 class may very well have multiple backs usurp Javonte Williams for the top spot. It’s going to be a loaded position to watch this fall.
 
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