I would be in favor of giving him a shot. However something just doesn't sit right with me about a grown man crying about being "bullied". Especially when aggression is almost a requirement of his chosen profession.
I would be in favor of giving him a shot. However something just doesn't sit right with me about a grown man crying about being "bullied". Especially when aggression is almost a requirement of his chosen profession.
If any of you were being harassed like Martin was at your place of work, you'd be in HR complaining with a quickness...
And, if your boss allowed it to happen, you'd quit or sue...
HR might not be people's best bet but I hear what your saying.... BUTOriginally Posted by Slapstick
If someone said those things to me directly, I'd stand my ground no matter what and I'd have a conversation with the person that said those things. Martin seems like a very emotionally weak individual.
Tomlin: Let's unleash hell and "mop the floor" with the competition.
To me this isn't about bullying. From a non-football standpoint I find that kind of thing ugly to say the least. With that said, these guys are playing a tough man sport. Not to mention a team sport. I would say many players see Martin as violating both of those mentalities...tough and team. I doubt there is anyway most if any of these Steelers players would want Martin in their locker room. Is that fair? No. But, when your team is already struggling with leadership, heart and toughness...adding a guy like Martin won't help.
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What if his signing included Gilbert's departure?
Not my dream pick. Not even close.
Even if Bill Belichick was getting an atomic wedgie, his face would look exactly the same.
Bullying is wrong. But, I must say, we are waaaaaay hypersensitive to it these days. Why is this such a hot button issue these days?
Even if Bill Belichick was getting an atomic wedgie, his face would look exactly the same.
It has a lot to do with the school shootings imo. but anyway....
If Jonathan Martin were available to the Steelers I would pick him up. You absolutely know there are two results. He becomes a legitimate starter and no one mentions his name after two years or he caves in to the pressure. Because the bottom line is what was his Achilles heel? the ribbing or what predicated it? Was he a bad off.-lineman or did he not respond well to the prevailing environment? I work in the oil and gas field as a manager and I've dealt with this issue multiple times. Guys in the field don't like pu$$ies or co-workers who can't keep up in the pub, but a strong front by management usually quiets the whole matter until the guy who was mis-represented steps up and shows he belongs. Guys can turn on a dime, I've seen it. Clear expectations and a team goal are instrumental. You never know, he could turn into a good asset.
Also, I'm not saying his only alternative is to "blend in".. some dudes are just different and that's cool. it takes all kinds. the management body needs to come out and reinterate tolerance. I phucking hate regulations and would rather live in a lawless society but...... I realize that is not going to happen.
I have to agree Thor. Incognito is a real meathead and putting Martin in a different environment could produce different results. As long as he has demonstrated a little talent, I think he deserves a second chance. With that said, are the Steelers a good fit? Well, if we take Martin on, an OT has to go. Obviously it wont be Beachum or Gilbert, who are the current starters. Wont be Whimper, who has played reasonably well lately, despite his name. Trading out one headcase for another with Adams probably wont happen either. Couldn't hurt to throw him into the mix next off-season though, when he finally gets his issues with the Dolphins resolved.
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