Originally Posted by flippy
Brady was a very Eli-level quarterback when he was winning Super Bowls. He has since become a stat machine and lost a couple Super Bowls.
That, to me, suggests that the Patriots winning wasn't because of how great Tom Brady is. I wonder what else it could have been?
One has to wonder if it is the system with the Pats... Tom Brady is damn good but it seems like once he is hit he is easily rattled. This is one area where I think Eli and Ben have surpassed Brady.
Whether people want to admit it or not I've seen Eli and Ben take some huge hits and get right back up and throw a game changing pass. Brady has been pretty shaky in close games too... great stats but his game hasn't impressed me lately and part of it is because he is throwing to guys who IMO are sub par talents but the execution and X's and O's are head and shoulders above other teams.
Rivers is no Super Confident Bob.
Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.
Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.
We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.
We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.
Rivers is no Super Confident Bob.
He is, however, an Overly-Cocky Rick.
I am not fan of the Pats but I think people need to accept the Pats are a great team. Anyone that believes the Pats were winning because of spy gate hasn't paid attention or probably has an anti Pats agenda. The Pats went on a historic run in 2007. They continued to win a lot of games post spy gate. The Pats had opportunities to win the SB's they loss. Sure handed Asante Samuel dropped a game sealing INT. Sure handed Welker dropped a key pass that he usually catches.
Brady's role grew as his ability to carry the team grew. For whatever reasons, the Pats haven't been able to build great defenses like they had with a young Brady. So now, the Pats rely on Brady's ability to carry the team. The Pats won a lot of games with different coaches and philosophies. The two constants are BB and Brady. We will see how well BB thrives when Brady retires. I have a feeling the Pats won't be as good without a great QB.
The Pats will be good without Brady... they were good with Bledsoe...
Spygate wasn't about the Pats offense... Spygate was all about putting old, average defenders in a position to stop superior talent on offense.
After Spygate the Pats doubled down on beating teams into submission with short passes since they couldn't rely on their D to stop teams. I'm not knocking Brady or blBillicheat but a lot of their success is psychological. They put up 55 points on scrub teams and it puts fear in their next opponent.
But if you attack the Pats early or just change your game plan a little from what you normally do and you can have success against them
Brady is a good QB but if Ben put our FG kicker in a position to win some rings and put up crash stats well after the game is in hand he would be ranked 25th. LOL.
I know Brady is really good.. and I'm a hater... but I truly believe Brady played for the Bears or Steelers he wouldn't be praised. like this..being drafted in the 6th helps his legacy. I do love his passion and leadership and probably respect it more than his ability to throw the rock.
If Ben wins ONE more SB his record will be 3-1 in the big game. Brady is 3-2 right now.
Further, even if you go simply by current winning percentage, 2-1 (.667) is already better than 3-2 (.600).
Brady gets too much credit when you consider that he knew the defensive calls.
Unlike Vinatieri, Suisham would shank 'em.
Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.
Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.
We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.
We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.
Well, you did say it was "a big joke" that he was rated ahead of Ben. And in my book, stafford isn't elite. He has zero playoffs wins (where Rodgers has a super bowl), and Rodgers has done it over a good many years now.
I'm a pretty big believer in Ben. I wouldn't trade him for anybody... That being said, I have no issue with Rodgers rated higher than him.
I still believe putting Aaron Rodgers as No. 1 and saying Ben is on the cusp of elite is ridiculous. Aaron Rodgers playoff record is what 4-2? He is playing in NFL for 4 years now. He had a great run in playoffs for one season only. He sat behind HOF QB for 3 years and got to learn the position behind a great player. Putting A-Rod below Big ben does not make Rodgers non-elite.
By the time Rodgers ends his career he maybe the best QB, NFL has seen. He has a potential to easily surpass Dan Marino but for now i will rate him behind Ben.
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