One of the best write ups in a very long time. I totally agree, the arrow is pointing the worng direction and hoping to cattch lightening in the bottle "just one more season" is what got the team into the mess we are in. That's exactly what we tried to do with Aaron Smith (about three times), Casey Hampton, etc. It is time to move on and complete the generational change we started last season.
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One of the best write ups in a very long time. I totally agree, the arrow is pointing the worng direction and hoping to cattch lightening in the bottle "just one more season" is what got the team into the mess we are in. That's exactly what we tried to do with Aaron Smith (about three times), Casey Hampton, etc. It is time to move on and complete the generational change we started last season."My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!" -
You watch the games right? Twice? You do better than I do, much respect.
How in the heck is he "washed up" when NO 3/4 OLBer IN THE LEAGUE gets to the ball more than he does?
Sacks are ONE FACET, one where he did come on late.
There is ONE ROLE that all defensive players have in common. End the offensive play.
No Olber is more productive at that then Harrison PERIOD.
Not just two years ago, not back when he was DMVP, he ends the play more than all his peers TODAY.
Did Greg Llloyd put up HUGE sack numbers? No! Was Jason Gildon better than Lloyd? If you go by sacks alone Gildon is an alltime great.
Llloyd made stops, just like Harrison continues to do.
We get the return of the most productive tackler IN THE LEAGUE at his position and our defense improves by leaps and bounds. Just a coincidence? I dont think so.
Remember when people screams at how teams were running AT Ziggy with success? Ziggy is on the other side with Woodley. Smart teams dont run at Harrison, yet he STILL makes plays.
You said Woodley had a down year. Harrison had more tackles than Woodley has EVER HAD, at his finest. Harrison did that with no September.
Beloved Joey Porter bested 70 tt ONCE in his storied career.
Every tackle is a play on the ball. Nobody at his position makes more plays than Harrison, period.
So many players are "all sack no substance". Keep him off your QB and his game is worthless.
Harrison's value goes way beyond just the sacks.
Its time we move on just like we did from Joey Porter to James Harrison."My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"Comment
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Look at Porters typical sack numbers as a Steeler.
Aint much different than Harrisons last year given a full season.
BTW, the DL looking sack specialist (Greene, Gildon, Woodley) tends to play on Woodleys side. The better run stopper plays Harrisons role.Last edited by Captain Lemming; 02-15-2013, 03:13 PM.sigpic
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You watch the games right? Twice? You do better than I do, much respect.
How in the heck is he "washed up" when NO 3/4 OLBer IN THE LEAGUE gets to the ball more than he does?
Sacks are ONE FACET, one where he did come on late.
There is ONE ROLE that all defensive players have in common. End the offensive play.
No Olber is more productive at that then Harrison PERIOD.
Not just two years ago, not back when he was DMVP, he ends the play more than all his peers TODAY.
Did Greg Llloyd put up HUGE sack numbers? No! Was Jason Gildon better than Lloyd? If you go by sacks alone Gildon is an alltime great.
Llloyd made stops, just like Harrison continues to do.
We get the return of the most productive tackler IN THE LEAGUE at his position and our defense improves by leaps and bounds. Just a coincidence? I dont think so.
Remember when people screams at how teams were running AT Ziggy with success? Ziggy is on the other side with Woodley. Smart teams dont run at Harrison, yet he STILL makes plays.
You said Woodley had a down year. Harrison had more tackles than Woodley has EVER HAD, at his finest. Harrison did that with no September.
Beloved Joey Porter bested 70 tt ONCE in his storied career.
Every tackle is a play on the ball. Nobody at his position makes more plays than Harrison, period.
So many players are "all sack no substance". Keep him off your QB and his game is worthless.
Harrison's value goes way beyond just the sacks.
Down the stretch Harrison was getting tuned out of the holes & hooked by TEs in the run game. He was getting stoned in the hole by OL too much for my liking. Harrison makes many tackles off his backside discipline because teams run strong side. No reason to believe Harrison is a dominant OLB in a 3-4 because he got 70 tackles & 6 sacks.
Your tackle stat luv has holes. Clark had over 100 tackles again...Is that a good thing? Larry Foote had 113 - 4 sacks - 2 FF....$hit he must be better than Harrison right? Believe your eyes...Not the stats. My eyes showed my a player in rapid decline. Unable to make those splash plays that you expect from the engine of a 3-4...The OLBs. Splash plays are sacks, FF, and INTs....Not tackles. I agree about one thing. "Harrison's value goes way beyond just the sacks." Correct....At one time it did. That is why he WAS so special.
"Nobody at his position makes more plays than Harrison, period." These guys all want to talk to you...Aldon Smith, Von Miller, Clay Mathews, Demarcus Ware
You know what my eyes see that tell me the end has come....Teams DON'T gameplan for Harrison anymore. If you didn't see that watching the games....Your TV was off.Last edited by JUST-PLAIN-NASTY; 02-15-2013, 03:41 PM.Comment
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GLloyd or Gildon? Who had more sacks but who got paid?
Look at Porters typical sack numbers as a Steeler.
Aint much different than Harrisons last year given a full season.
BTW, the DL looking sack specialist (Greene, Gildon, Woodley) tends to play on Woodleys side. The better run stopper plays Harrisons role.
If Harrison can't cover and can't rush the passer with the same efficiency. He isn't worth the money and he won't take a pay cut. Too much pride in the man. Don't really blame him. He's a scrapper.Here comes the BOOM!
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GLloyd or Gildon? Who had more sacks but who got paid?
Look at Porters typical sack numbers as a Steeler.
Aint much different than Harrisons last year given a full season.
BTW, the DL looking sack specialist (Greene, Gildon, Woodley) tends to play on Woodleys side. The better run stopper plays Harrisons role.
The better run stoppers play strongside or LOLB. The OLB who has more range play ROLB. Because of a LOLB discipline against the run, they tend to get LESS tackles. His job is to take everything on with his right shoulder and protect the edge while squeezing the hole down. If it bounces...String it to the sideline if you can't force it back inside. The ROLB is to come down the LOS and often is unblocked. Protect the backside cutback and make the tackle if he crosses your face. Early on in his career (which made him special) You had to put a hat on Harrison because he came down hard and made the tackle from the backside. Even when blocked, he could beat the TE or LT and still make a play away.Last edited by JUST-PLAIN-NASTY; 02-15-2013, 04:03 PM.Comment
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You are just hung up on those tackle stats. I commend him on his tackle stats...But he isn't a force because of that. 3-4 OLB...Get to the QB. Can't do it as well as he should. That is where he should excel first at his position. He is playing like a SAM backer..Not a 3-4 OLB.
Down the stretch Harrison was getting tuned out of the holes & hooked by TEs in the run game. He was getting stoned in the hole by OL too much for my liking. Harrison makes many tackles off his backside discipline because teams run strong side. No reason to believe Harrison is a dominant OLB in a 3-4 because he got 70 tackles & 6 sacks.
Your tackle stat luv has holes. Clark had over 100 tackles again...Is that a good thing? Larry Foote had 113 - 4 sacks - 2 FF....$hit he must be better than Harrison right? Believe your eyes...Not the stats. My eyes showed my a player in rapid decline. Unable to make those splash plays that you expect from the engine of a 3-4...The OLBs. Splash plays are sacks, FF, and INTs....Not tackles. I agree about one thing. "Harrison's value goes way beyond just the sacks." Correct....At one time it did. That is why he WAS so special.
"Nobody at his position makes more plays than Harrison, period." These guys all want to talk to you...Aldon Smith, Von Miller, Clay Mathews, Demarcus Ware
You know what my eyes see that tell me the end has come....Teams DON'T gameplan for Harrison anymore. If you didn't see that watching the games....Your TV was off.
Yes. Job #1 for a 3-4 OLB is to sack the QB. Every other stat is meaningless. The defense is designed for those OLBs to pressure the QB and if they can't it starts to unravel as we have seen against good teams the past few years."My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"Comment
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You are just hung up on those tackle stats. I commend him on his tackle stats...But he isn't a force because of that. 3-4 OLB...Get to the QB. Can't do it as well as he should. That is where he should excel first at his position. He is playing like a SAM backer..Not a 3-4 OLB.
Down the stretch Harrison was getting tuned out of the holes & hooked by TEs in the run game. He was getting stoned in the hole by OL too much for my liking. Harrison makes many tackles off his backside discipline because teams run strong side. No reason to believe Harrison is a dominant OLB in a 3-4 because he got 70 tackles & 6 sacks.
Your tackle stat luv has holes. Clark had over 100 tackles again...Is that a good thing? Larry Foote had 113 - 4 sacks - 2 FF....$hit he must be better than Harrison right? Believe your eyes...Not the stats. My eyes showed my a player in rapid decline. Unable to make those splash plays that you expect from the engine of a 3-4...The OLBs. Splash plays are sacks, FF, and INTs....Not tackles. I agree about one thing. "Harrison's value goes way beyond just the sacks." Correct....At one time it did. That is why he WAS so special.
"Nobody at his position makes more plays than Harrison, period." These guys all want to talk to you...Aldon Smith, Von Miller, Clay Mathews, Demarcus Ware
You know what my eyes see that tell me the end has come....Teams DON'T gameplan for Harrison anymore. If you didn't see that watching the games....Your TV was off."My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"Comment
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Panthers...Jon Beason's cap hit is 9.5 mill next year.
When I said "these teams" I meant bad teams who are notorious for overpaying players. Plenty of teams have LB's making 5 to 6 mill who aren't of JH's caliber present day.
Woodley is #2 with a cap hit of 10.25 mill.... that guy is stealing.
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Panthers...Jon Beason's cap hit is 9.5 mill next year.
When I said "these teams" I meant bad teams who are notorious for overpaying players. Plenty of teams have LB's making 5 to 6 mill who aren't of JH's caliber present day.
Woodley is #2 with a cap hit of 10.25 mill.... that guy is stealing.
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Panthers...Jon Beason's cap hit is 9.5 mill next year.
When I said "these teams" I meant bad teams who are notorious for overpaying players. Plenty of teams have LB's making 5 to 6 mill who aren't of JH's caliber present day.
Woodley is #2 with a cap hit of 10.25 mill.... that guy is stealing.
[URL]http://www.spotrac.com/top-salaries/nfl/average/linebacker/[/URL]
That is his cap hit is so high. Also why he can't be cut. Nor should we cut him. This is a make or break season for Woodley as to whether he stays with the Steelers beyond this year.Last edited by BigRob; 02-15-2013, 06:38 PM.Here comes the BOOM!
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Is it his fault the Steelers restructured him twice and pushed his cap hit into the future. That is why it is so high now. Also why he can't be cut. Nor should we cut him. This is a make or break season for Woodley as to whether he stays with the Steelers beyond this year.Comment
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Panthers...Jon Beason's cap hit is 9.5 mill next year.
When I said "these teams" I meant bad teams who are notorious for overpaying players. Plenty of teams have LB's making 5 to 6 mill who aren't of JH's caliber present day.
Woodley is #2 with a cap hit of 10.25 mill.... that guy is stealing.
[URL]http://www.spotrac.com/top-salaries/nfl/average/linebacker/[/URL]
Harrison will be 35...it's a different situation...
Plenty of teams have LBs maikg 5-6 million, but those LBs aren't 35 and didn't just ink their new deals...Actually, my post was NOT about you...but, if the shoe fits, feel free to lace that &!+€# up and wear it.Comment
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Did you see the part where I said he was still good in the run game? You don't pay 3-4 OLB'ers that much money to play well in the run game.
Woodley is another one that needs to be on notice. However, he is much younger and will therefore get a chance to show it was just a poor two year period. Even Terrell Suggs had some down years.
As for Worilds and his fleet footedness. I disagree with you. Worilds had a fantastic sub 1.6 10 yard split in the forty. He is explosive. His run defense is where he lacks and I think he can get better with reps.
He will have a healthy offseason. Worilds will come to training camp ripped and strong.
You sound as though the only weak spot in Worilds' game is run defense, and yet the "experts" on this board say that's not all that important; rushing the passer and covering receivers are the important facets. Well if Worilds was so great at those aspects this last season, why the heck couldn't he beat out Harrison or Woodley?Last edited by BradshawsHairdresser; 02-15-2013, 04:50 PM.Comment
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stopping the run isn't important until you can't do it anymore.
we have been spoiled by doing it so well for so long that its almost an afterthought for some people.Comment
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