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  • NorthCoast
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    • Sep 2008
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    Schrager: KP - "#1 Breakout Player of 2023"

    "He's going to be a guy that we're talking about as one of those young quarterbacks in the same conversation as Trevor Lawrence, same conversation as Justin Fields...."




    I'll take the Trevor Lawrence talk but Fields?!? That dude has looked terrible as a passing QB so far in his career.
  • Flasteel
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    • May 2008
    • 3945

    #2
    I think he was just trying to pull some young QB names out of his a$$ on the spot. Fields has generated buzz as a runner and started to improve his passing last year, so I think his name was in that same mental schema - young QBs under 30 who are on the cusp of breaking out.

    If Pickett is topping his list of breakout players and Fields wasn't even in his top ten discussion, I'm pretty sure Schrager wouldn't put them on the same level.
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    • Joel Buchsbaum
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      • Jan 2021
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      #3
      Peter Schrager is a nice guy, so I hear. But a football guy that should be listed to closely, he is not.
      Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game in seven years and counting. The earliest will be eight years. I guess that in Art Rooney's II, opinion is worth a 3 year extension.

      Our 2024 draft looks to be grade A. Our 2023 draft is an A. The roster is talented, but Mike Tomlin is still the head coach.

      *** Mike Tomlin is the best coach since the AFL- NFL merger that has not won a playoff game in 8 seasons or more. It's either him or Lewis. ***

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      • Mr.wizard
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        • May 2014
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        #4
        Originally posted by Joel Buchsbaum
        Peter Schrager is a nice guy, so I hear. But a football guy that should be listed to closely, he is not.
        Well he has only been a Football insider, reporter, broadcaster, and part of the show "Good Morning Football". But ya not a football guy.

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        • WindyCitySteel
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          • Nov 2011
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          #5
          Fields broke out in fantasy football stats but still doesn't look good as a passer, I was wrong on him, thought he'd be great. Will be interesting to see how teams defend him now the 2nd time through the batting order. Gap sound containment focussed pass rush seems the way to go.

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          • feltdizz
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            • May 2008
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            #6
            Originally posted by WindyCitySteel
            Fields broke out in fantasy football stats but still doesn't look good as a passer, I was wrong on him, thought he'd be great. Will be interesting to see how teams defend him now the 2nd time through the batting order. Gap sound containment focussed pass rush seems the way to go.
            Fields has started 25 games already.

            Its his 3rd time around and if he doesn’t improve as a passer it will be another miss by Chicago when it comes to QB’s.

            I thought he would be better as a passer but again, its Ohio State and until one of them shows me differently I will continue to doubt their ability to produce NFL QB’s.

            Their current QB is booty too. I know it was his first start but sheesh, that was ugly.
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            • Iron City Inc.
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              • Jun 2013
              • 3185

              #7
              Being in the same sentence as Lawrence is a good thing. Imho Lawrence is a top 10 qb. Could KP get to that point? Perhaps he can however he isn't there yet.
              Joel seeing any opinion that does not match his narrative I can understand him taking a shot at Schrager.
              I've already seen improvement in KP from a year ago. He looked like a solid vet at Latrobe in full command of the O. He is able to keep his eyes downfield even with rushers around him and when he does escape the pocket it's throw first n run second. And perhaps the most critical factor is he's accurate. That accuracy leads to the YAC they need in this modified west coast O.
              Last edited by Iron City Inc.; 09-03-2023, 12:13 PM.

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              • Joel Buchsbaum
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                • Jan 2021
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                #8
                Originally posted by Iron City Inc.
                Being in the same sentence as Lawrence is a good thing. Imho Lawrence is a top 10 qb. Could KP get to that point? Perhaps he can however he isn't there yet.
                Joel seeing any opinion that does not match his narrative I can understand him taking a shot at Schrager.
                I've already seen improvement in KP from a year ago. He looked like a solid vet at Latrobe in full command of the O. He is able to keep his eyes downfield even with rushers around him and when he does escape the pocket it's throw first n run second. And perhaps the most critical factor is he's accurate. That accuracy leads to the YAC they need in this modified west coast O.
                Some guys in the media X Gm's, coaches, X QB's / players and a few board casters that know football and have been doing it for years, are good. Read what I said about him closely. Peter seems to be an amiable fellow. He is smooth at broad casting , but IMO he is not an expert and really does not really know football.

                I think Pickett is not even the #1 breakout player on his own team. I'd go with Pickens or Warren.
                Last edited by Joel Buchsbaum; 09-04-2023, 07:16 AM.
                Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game in seven years and counting. The earliest will be eight years. I guess that in Art Rooney's II, opinion is worth a 3 year extension.

                Our 2024 draft looks to be grade A. Our 2023 draft is an A. The roster is talented, but Mike Tomlin is still the head coach.

                *** Mike Tomlin is the best coach since the AFL- NFL merger that has not won a playoff game in 8 seasons or more. It's either him or Lewis. ***

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                • NorthCoast
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                  • Sep 2008
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Joel Buchsbaum
                  Some guys in the media X Gm's, coaches, X QB's / players and a few board casters that know football and have been doing it for years, are good. Read what I said about him closely. Peter seems to be an amiable fellow. He is smooth at broad casting , but IMO he is not an expert and really does not really know football.

                  I think Pickett is not even the #1 breakout player on his own team. I'd go with Pickens or Warren.
                  Doesn't KP have to have a breakout season for Pickens to have one?

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                  • Iron City Inc.
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                    • Jun 2013
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by NorthCoast
                    Doesn't KP have to have a breakout season for Pickens to have one?
                    That would be the logical conclusion. Not sure how Joel would answer that.

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                    • feltdizz
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                      • May 2008
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by NorthCoast
                      Doesn't KP have to have a breakout season for Pickens to have one?
                      That makes too much sense
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                      • flippy
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                        • Dec 2008
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Iron City Inc.
                        That would be the logical conclusion. Not sure how Joel would answer that.
                        This is easy. KP, Mitch, and Najee go down. Teams have to stack the box to stop Warren. No one rushes Mason and they give him 5 sec to throw rainbow bombs to George all game every game.
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                        • Joel Buchsbaum
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                          • Jan 2021
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Iron City Inc.
                          That would be the logical conclusion. Not sure how Joel would answer that.
                          A receiver can have a breakout year with just an average Quarterback. See Randy Moss. Or if you want a Steeler past example, a young Louis Lipps who won offensive rookie of the year with Mark Malone at quarterback. That's how I would answer that. But do you find it logical?
                          Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game in seven years and counting. The earliest will be eight years. I guess that in Art Rooney's II, opinion is worth a 3 year extension.

                          Our 2024 draft looks to be grade A. Our 2023 draft is an A. The roster is talented, but Mike Tomlin is still the head coach.

                          *** Mike Tomlin is the best coach since the AFL- NFL merger that has not won a playoff game in 8 seasons or more. It's either him or Lewis. ***

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                          • Iron City Inc.
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                            • Jun 2013
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                            #14
                            Randall Cunningham was an above average qb by the way but I'll give you Malone who was below average even with Stallworth n Lipps.
                            Too if you are saying Pickett is now or will be in 23 an average NFL QB moving up to that level is a breakout year imho. Now there you may have something. That could very well be the case here.

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                            • Joel Buchsbaum
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                              • Jan 2021
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Iron City Inc.
                              Randall Cunningham was an above average qb by the way but I'll give you Malone who was below average even with Stallworth n Lipps.
                              Too if you are saying Pickett is now or will be in 23 an average NFL QB moving up to that level is a breakout year imho. Now there you may have something. That could very well be the case here.
                              Agreed. Randy Moss played with some average QB's yet he stood out. Pickett is now 25. I'm glad you see the logical conclusion in my reply.
                              Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game in seven years and counting. The earliest will be eight years. I guess that in Art Rooney's II, opinion is worth a 3 year extension.

                              Our 2024 draft looks to be grade A. Our 2023 draft is an A. The roster is talented, but Mike Tomlin is still the head coach.

                              *** Mike Tomlin is the best coach since the AFL- NFL merger that has not won a playoff game in 8 seasons or more. It's either him or Lewis. ***

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