Mel Kiper: Kenny Pickett would be fifth-best QB in this year's draft class

[Joel Buchsbaum]

100% he is better than both of those guys.

Richardson is a big and very good athlete and so-so quarterback. I view him as a 2nd round pick based on his upside. But as a qb, his game film sucks. He rates here as a 5th- 7th round pick or rookie free agent. I view Pickett who I did not have a first round grade on either as a better NFL QB with far less if an upside . The economics of the position ( 2nd year contract stars cost at least 20 million a year ) and the fact that rookie QB contacts are cheap mean some team will over draft him. Bank on that.

[feltdizz]

Richardson is a big and very good athlete and so-so quarterback. I view him as a 2nd round pick based on his upside. But as a qb, his game film sucks. He rates here as a 5th- 7th round pick or rookie free agent. I view Pickett who I did not have a first round grade on either as a better NFL QB with far less if an upside . The economics of the position ( 2nd year contract stars cost at least 20 million a year ) and the fact that rookie QB contacts are cheap mean some team will over draft him. Bank on that.

The biggest problem with Richardson is once he makes a bad throw his confidence tanks.

[WindyCitySteel]

It certainly helps Pickett that he went to a well-managed team.

Offensively? High school level.

[Oviedo]

The biggest problem with Richardson is once he makes a bad throw his confidence tanks.

Richardson is this year's Malik Willis. Great athlete who can make things happen with both his arm and legs. They are also both the same in that they need about two years of seasoning.

Watched quite a few of Richardson's games and he is very inconsistent

[Joel Buchsbaum]

Richardson is this year's Malik Willis. Great athlete who can make things happen with both his arm and legs. They are also both the same in that they need about two years of seasoning.

Watched quite a few of Richardson's games and he is very inconsistent

Is Willis 6'4+ 235+ pounds with 10.5 inches hands and runs a 4.43? No way. This guy can run over DB and leave most players in the dust. And he didn't play at Liberty either. That why he is is hyped the way he is.

[feltdizz]

Richardson is this year's Malik Willis. Great athlete who can make things happen with both his arm and legs. They are also both the same in that they need about two years of seasoning.

Watched quite a few of Richardson's games and he is very inconsistent

He played well vs Tennessee.

I forget what game it was but I turned and saw this huge RB take off on a 60 yard run. On the replay it was actually Richardson the QB. Dude is a load.

The problem is almost every time I watched him before or after that Tennessee game he was awful.


and Levis, not sure if it was NC but someone floated his name and 2 weeks later he was the talk of ESPN and being hyped up. I watched 3 games and it was the same thing. Dude was awful. I know his OL was suspect but they rarely threw the ball which was weird since the story is Penn State didn’t let him throw. They showed him throwing darts in highlights but 3 games and he showed nothing but bad decisions and INT’s.

[feltdizz]

Is Willis 6'4+ 235+ pounds with 10.5 inches hands and runs a 4.43? No way. This guy can run over DB and leave most players in the dust. And he didn't play at Liberty either. That why he is is hyped the way he is.

Do you understand what “this years Malik Willis means?

That means he is being hyped for his athleticism but is still a project. It doesn’t mean he has the same measurables.

[whisper]

Offensively? High school level.

Yea, I was gonna question that assertion as well.

[whatever]

It certainly helps Pickett that he went to a well-managed team.

Not a well managed team, the BEST managed team…
No one can compare to our organization.
Our way is the best, most unique.
You do know that we are the only team that drafts bpa and builds thru the draft.

[flippy]

For what it’s worth, Ryan Leaf would probably get taken ahead of all the QBs in this year’s draft class too.

We can all easily compare the things that are measurable and slot a guy in according to those measurables.

But we can’t easily grade and rank the intangibles which are the things that make up 99% of the eventual success or failure of a QB so long as he meets a minimum reasonable athletic threshold which all of these guys do.

A big armed QB becoming the next Pat M is about as likely as an average armed QB becoming the next Tom B.

Whatever it is, I think we need to find the guys with the intangibles and the info we as fans generally aren’t that privy to like the teams are. They’re all likely going to have better guesses than us or any draft pundit.

Re: the intangibles, I’m not sure how to compare KP to the others, but I know for a fact no other QB was on his trajectory from being a crumby run of the mill college QB to legit competing for the Heisman.

His ascent is way steeper than any other QB and as a fan, I think that’s what we need to bet on and hope for.

Im expecting year 2 to be a legit run at a SuperBowl in Pittsburgh until proven wrong.

[feltdizz]

For what it’s worth, Ryan Leaf would probably get taken ahead of all the QBs in this year’s draft class too.

We can all easily compare the things that are measurable and slot a guy in according to those measurables.

But we can’t easily grade and rank the intangibles which are the things that make up 99% of the eventual success or failure of a QB so long as he meets a minimum reasonable athletic threshold which all of these guys do.

A big armed QB becoming the next Pat M is about as likely as an average armed QB becoming the next Tom B.

Whatever it is, I think we need to find the guys with the intangibles and the info we as fans generally aren’t that privy to like the teams are. They’re all likely going to have better guesses than us or any draft pundit.

Re: the intangibles, I’m not sure how to compare KP to the others, but I know for a fact no other QB was on his trajectory from being a crumby run of the mill college QB to legit competing for the Heisman.

His ascent is way steeper than any other QB and as a fan, I think that’s what we need to bet on and hope for.

Im expecting year 2 to be a legit run at a SuperBowl in Pittsburgh until proven wrong.

That would be nice Flippy.

I’m giving Kenny 3 years to reach a SB.

I think fans who watch college teams have a better idea of what these QB’s can be.

and I don’t mean watching a bowl game, I mean watching a season or 2 of a QB to see the ups and downs.

[SS Laser]

Yea, I was gonna question that assertion as well.

I can’t remember fans freaking out when the offense was basic for Duck?
Why would it be any different for KP. Let him learn. Be a ball control offense? Was this team or the yr of Duck/Mason really going to do any better then .500 or one and done in the playoffs. KP continued to improve but did not light it up. Even Rookie Big Ben did not go to the promised land.

Also the QB’s will always be over drafted. KP probably was. It’s the nature of the beast.
Also I always wonder and I believe makes it hard to evaluate the Collage QB is the quality of the teams and the opponents. Say a Alabama QB has a NFL lite o line and probably WR’s. So many QB’s are overvalued with stats or measurables. Some even underrated.

[hawaiiansteel]

NFL Combine

Second tier QBs to throw; WR Harrison won't run at combine. Just a quick update to today's earlier report on the combine. While star QBs Caleb Williams of Southern Cal and LSU's Jayden Daniels will not throw at the combine on Saturday, J J McCarthy, Michael Penix and Bo Nix have indicated that they will. At the same time, star Ohio State WR Marvin Harrison, the consensus top non-QB prospect in the 2024 draft class, has announced that h will not be working out this week.

February 26, 2024

https://gbnreport.com

[feltdizz]

NFL Combine

Second tier QBs to throw; WR Harrison won't run at combine. Just a quick update to today's earlier report on the combine. While star QBs Caleb Williams of Southern Cal and LSU's Jayden Daniels will not throw at the combine on Saturday, J J McCarthy, Michael Penix and Bo Nix have indicated that they will. At the same time, star Ohio State WR Marvin Harrison, the consensus top non-QB prospect in the 2024 draft class, has announced that h will not be working out this week.

February 26, 2024

https://gbnreport.com

No where to go but down if you are Marvin Harrison Jr.

[Chucktownsteeler]

This thread didn't age well for our QB gurus.