Checking out sack stats...I find this interesting...

[Mister Pittsburgh]

I bet that 70 yr old man could kick the crap outta you. Just sayin'!!

No disrespect to DL but I would accept that bet. You have no idea who I am.

Secondly, DL's toughness has nothing to do with what I said.

[Oviedo]

No disrespect to DL but I would accept that bet. You have no idea who I am.

Secondly, DL's toughness has nothing to do with what I said.

Maybe if the old guy is so tough he should put on a uniform and go sack someone because his playcalling isn't helping.

[flippy]

No disrespect to DL but I would accept that bet. You have no idea who I am.

Secondly, DL's toughness has nothing to do with what I said.

I bet if some random guy kicked the crap out of DL, they may end up having to deal with James Harrison.

So unless you're Chuck Norris, Steven Segal, or David Hasselhoff, you probably should leave DL alone

[Mister Pittsburgh]

I bet if some random guy kicked the crap out of DL, they may end up having to deal with James Harrison.

So unless you're Chuck Norris, Steven Segal, or David Hasselhoff, you probably should leave DL alone

So glad my logical post has dissolved into a theoretical debate regarding my fighting skills against a 70 year old and whether his henchmen could defeat me.

[Oviedo]

So glad my logical post has dissolved into a theoretical debate regarding my fighting skills against a 70 year old and whether his henchmen could defeat me.

Just new limits some will go to defend and make excuses for DL. Redirection to talk about his toughness and fighting skills not how he is doing his job.

[flippy]

Just new limits some will go to defend and make excuses for DL. Redirection to talk about his toughness and fighting skills not how he is doing his job.

Just cause you would lose in a fight with DL too, you resort to this

I have a hard time putting this all on DL given his track record of success and what I see from the players on the field. The whole DLine is getting redirected and controlled at the LOS. The LBs aren't getting any pressure or big plays. And Ike can't cover anyone. We're losing 1 on 1 battles all over the field. The lack of talent is very apparent.

I hold the players more accountable. And the drafting of the guys on the current roster.

[Oviedo]

Just cause you would lose in a fight with DL too, you resort to this

I have a hard time putting this all on DL given his track record of success and what I see from the players on the field. The whole DLine is getting redirected and controlled at the LOS. The LBs aren't getting any pressure or big plays. And Ike can't cover anyone. We're losing 1 on 1 battles all over the field. The lack of talent is very apparent.

I hold the players more accountable. And the drafting of the guys on the current roster.

And DL has no say in who is drafted for his "legendary" defense? You really that blinded by LeBeau hype to believe that someone of his reputation, supposedly "legendary" talent and experience has no influence in the draft room and poor Coach LeBeau is just a victim of circumstances and all those who are doing him wrong by taking the wrong players? WOW!!!!

If anything you are making a case that the players have carried him and with the players gone he has been exposed. Is that what you are really saying but not wanting to say?

[flippy]

And DL has no say in who is drafted for his "legendary" defense? You really that blinded by LeBeau hype to believe that someone of his reputation, supposedly "legendary" talent and experience has no influence in the draft room and poor Coach LeBeau is just a victim of circumstances and all those who are doing him wrong by taking the wrong players? WOW!!!!

If anything you are making a case that the players have carried him and with the players gone he has been exposed. Is that what you are really saying but not wanting to say?

You read a little too much into that. Of course DL has influence on who we draft. So I hold him accountable. It's hard to know who is ultimately responsible for each player beyond Colbert/Tomlin who have to balance out the whole team.

What we do know - DL's system has worked, we've lost our best players to injury, the players on the field are getting beat 1 on 1, and the young guys aren't stepping up and making the impact we need from them. I also haven't noticed this fall off in aggressive play calling - we still bring a lot of guys, but just aren't winning the battles.

I think it's a fair question to ask why young guys aren't being worked into the system faster? I also think it's fair to question the quality of players we've drafted.

But I'm not seeing anything that's age related. DL still seems to be the same guy he's been in the past. DL's system has always been about being sound and not giving up the big plays. I don't see this big change in DL. I do see a difference in the player's ability to execute.

[Mister Pittsburgh]

Just cause you would lose in a fight with DL too, you resort to this

I have a hard time putting this all on DL given his track record of success and what I see from the players on the field. The whole DLine is getting redirected and controlled at the LOS. The LBs aren't getting any pressure or big plays. And Ike can't cover anyone. We're losing 1 on 1 battles all over the field. The lack of talent is very apparent.

I hold the players more accountable. And the drafting of the guys on the current roster.

Poor prospect evaluation has been the biggest issue, but DL's refusal to bench his vets is another. It simply should not take 2 or 3 seasons for a first round pick to get playing time on a regular basis.

Some will argue that we had great vets so no need to play young guys. Well we drafted Ziggy in 2009 and then re-signed Keisel in the fall of 2009. It doesn't take grooming to play 3-4 DE. And now we have a subpar Keisel blocking Heyward.

[RuthlessBurgher]

I bet if some random guy kicked the crap out of DL, they may end up having to deal with James Harrison.

So unless you're Chuck Norris, Steven Segal, or David Hasselhoff, you probably should leave DL alone

LeBeau is 75 years old. Chuck Norris is 72. Seagal and Hasselhoff are both 60.

They'll tell you to get off their lawn, beat you with their canes, and ride off on their jazzy scooters (and maybe try to eat a cheeseburger off the floor).