Advice to Colbert...

[StarSpangledSteeler]

Instead of trading up in the first round from #18 to whatever, why not hold at #18 then package (2 rd + 3 rd + ?) and trade up AGAIN into the bottom half of the first?

Here's my thinking...

1) Colbert's strength is first round talent evaluation. He rarely misses. Meanwhile in the 2-4 rounds he's only about 50% (if that). Who cares if there's great depth in the 2-4 this year if we miss? I was very disappointed last year coming out of the first three rounds with Hood, Urbik, Wallace, and Lewis. (Wallace is solid but we could've done a lot better with the others had we traded up for two 1st rounders.)

2) We currently are experiencing a phenomenon known as the "Super Bowl Window". They don't come along very often. We need immediate contributers. Imagine Thomas and Wilson. Or Wilson and Odrick. Or Williams and Pouncey. Or Iupati and Pouncey. That's where the real value is for us right now.

3) I don't see very many roster spots open. We kept so many young players last year (draft picks+UDFA) plus adding FA depth this off-season I just don't see the openings. We don't need more mid level depth/back-ups. We need starters (potential pro-bowlers).

4) With the structure of the draft this year, after Thursday has concluded teams have 16 hours to salivate over the 'gems' that slipped out of the first round. That will likely generate added demand. I'm anticipating a trade up in the 2nd round to cost a lot more than it has in previous years because teams will get a little twitterpated and overpay. Given the added time they will restructure their draft boards somewhat saying "We never thought this guy would fall. If we can grab him that will make our whole draft." Or even "We missed out on prospect A. Now we HAVE to get prospect B." Whereas a trade up into the 1st round should slip by with more normal values. (Does that make sense?)

5) We still have late round picks and UDFA to stock away developmental prospects.

Thoughts?

[RuthlessBurgher]

I posted a similar suggestion here:

[url]http://www.planetsteelers.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11069[/url]

[NW Steeler]

I wouldn't mind that at all if another player the covet is sitting there at the end of the first round. But what would it take?A second and a third word be well worth it, but I'd think you'd have to give up a lot more than that seeing where our pick is in the second. Why would anyone give up their first for pick in the second half of round 2 and an additional 3rd, etc.? Would you want to be on the opposite side of that trade? If we can find a partner for that, then hell yeah!

[RuthlessBurgher]

I wouldn't mind that at all if another player the covet is sitting there at the end of the first round. But what would it take?A second and a third word be well worth it, but I'd think you'd have to give up a lot more than that seeing where our pick is in the second. Why would anyone give up their first for pick in the second half of round 2 and an additional 3rd, etc.? Would you want to be on the opposite side of that trade? If we can find a partner for that, then hell yeah!

Well, this is considered to be a deep draft, ripe in 2nd and 3rd round talent, so other teams may consider getting a 2nd and 3rd round pick to be gold. And our picks aren't late in the rounds...they are pretty much near the middle of each round. According to the draft trade value chart, our 2nd and 3rd round picks (#52 and #82) are worth the same amount as Detroit's second pick of the second round (#34). If we are sitting at #18 and trying to decide between the likes of Earl Thomas, Sean Weatherspoon, Mike Iupati, Maurkice Pouncey, Jared Odrick, and Kyle Wilson, we pick one of them and another is still available in the late first or early second, we could possibly get two of our favorite targets.

[AngryAsian]

I wouldn't mind that at all if another player the covet is sitting there at the end of the first round. But what would it take?A second and a third word be well worth it, but I'd think you'd have to give up a lot more than that seeing where our pick is in the second. Why would anyone give up their first for pick in the second half of round 2 and an additional 3rd, etc.? Would you want to be on the opposite side of that trade? If we can find a partner for that, then hell yeah!

Well, this is considered to be a deep draft, ripe in 2nd and 3rd round talent, so other teams may consider getting a 2nd and 3rd round pick to be gold. And our picks aren't late in the rounds...they are pretty much near the middle of each round. According to the draft trade value chart, our 2nd and 3rd round picks (#52 and #82) are worth the same amount as Detroit's second pick of the second round (#34). If we are sitting at #18 and trying to decide between the likes of Earl Thomas, Sean Weatherspoon, Mike Iupati, Maurkice Pouncey, Jared Odrick, and Kyle Wilson, we pick one of them and another is still available in the late first or early second, we could possibly get two of our favorite targets.

I think this situation merits the most consideration. As you said, Colbert's forte has been on the first day... later rounds haven't been great.... hell, he's had better development with his undrafted players than the ones he's selected on the second day of the draft.

[hawaiiansteel]

move down in the first round and pick up an extra 3rd.

then move up in the 2nd using the extra 3rd pick we acquired and we'll still have a 3rd to use.

[NW Steeler]

I wouldn't mind that at all if another player the covet is sitting there at the end of the first round. But what would it take?A second and a third word be well worth it, but I'd think you'd have to give up a lot more than that seeing where our pick is in the second. Why would anyone give up their first for pick in the second half of round 2 and an additional 3rd, etc.? Would you want to be on the opposite side of that trade? If we can find a partner for that, then hell yeah!

Well, this is considered to be a deep draft, ripe in 2nd and 3rd round talent, so other teams may consider getting a 2nd and 3rd round pick to be gold. And our picks aren't late in the rounds...they are pretty much near the middle of each round. According to the draft trade value chart, our 2nd and 3rd round picks (#52 and #82) are worth the same amount as Detroit's second pick of the second round (#34). If we are sitting at #18 and trying to decide between the likes of Earl Thomas, Sean Weatherspoon, Mike Iupati, Maurkice Pouncey, Jared Odrick, and Kyle Wilson, we pick one of them and another is still available in the late first or early second, we could possibly get two of our favorite targets.

Like I said, if someone wants that trade then I would be all for it.

[StarSpangledSteeler]

move down in the first round and pick up an extra 3rd.

then move up in the 2nd using the extra 3rd pick we acquired and we'll still have a 3rd to use.

that's a possibility but i don't know that colbert will capitalize on that the way you or i would. based on every mock i've seen, it looks like at least one gem should slip to us at 18 (ala mendy two years ago). i don't think we trade that mid-first round opportunity away because colbert will probably botch the extra third rounder anyway. the only way i would do that is if we traded down then used (2 rd + 3 rd + 3 rd round) to move up to middle of the first again. if we got picks #23 and 26 for example then okay but that's basically what i was suggesting in the first place. let colbert do what he does best. first rounders.

[StarSpangledSteeler]

I posted a similar suggestion here:

[url]http://www.planetsteelers.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11069[/url]

ruthless -

sorry about that, i guess i missed that one. i haven't been posting here long but apparently our brains think alike because i remember when we were both prognosticating a left tackle at #18. although i still wouldn't mind a LT, i also have changed my mind on that one slightly, but only because i was anticipating us picking up a starting CB in FA. since that looks like it's not going to happen i think the secondary has to be priority one and if we have the chance to pick up thomas in the first we should do it. i think berry would be a little too expensive in your scenario considering we could possibly get thomas AND wilson in the second scenario but i would LOVE to have him. either way though, i'd put odds at 80% that colbert will be trading up somewhere in the early rounds this year so i think any mock that has no trade ups scenarios will be somewhat less-useful.

[NW Steeler]

I don't think Wilson will make it past Baltimore's pick.