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    Change in philosophy on the OL?

    I think it is very interesting that with the move of Colon to OG, the team is all but giving DeCastro and Adams starting jobs that will be theirs to lose. This is a real change or from Tomlin has always done to not give rookies anything.

    It also could just be a statement of how bad our OL has been especially the play of our two Guards last year.
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    Talent always finds the field.

    Except when you have coaches who believe in personal relationships above coaching relationships.

    Haley is a "no nonsense" coach. Expect what Steeler fans are not accustomed to on the offensive of side of the ball when it comes to personnel decisions. Haley might be exactly what the team needed to get both feet over the wall.
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    I agree JPN... sometimes it takes eyes from outside the org to see things properly. I think our OL suffered due to a few coaches and FO seeing potential in "their guys" and I wonder if Haley is the reason we went OL in the first 2 rounds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by feltdizz View Post
    I agree JPN... sometimes it takes eyes from outside the org to see things properly. I think our OL suffered due to a few coaches and FO seeing potential in "their guys" and I wonder if Haley is the reason we went OL in the first 2 rounds.
    I think the Steelers bought into Haley from day 1. I think your assumption on the draft has some legs. The Arians offense seemed to do donuts even though talent was added year to year.

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    I agree as well.

    As bad as the o-line has been let's face it, Arians didn't do them any favors from a play calling perspective. The opposing defenses would be sending the house at Ben over and over again and Arians is calling pass plays where his receivers are running routes 20 yards down field. Now, you could place the blame on Ben for not checking out of the play or adjusting to a different route such as a hot route. However, he can't blame Ben when the same stuff is happening over and over again.... for gods sake, adjust the play calling.
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    Using Colon at LG during OTA's guarantees Adams nothing. The OTA's are for learning and trying out new things (remember trying out Keisel at LB during OTA's or experimenting with a pony backfield in OTA's?). I'm sure the coaches are hopeful that Adams could be our answer at LT sooner rather than later, and would love to see our best 5 OL out there together from day one: Adams-Colon-Pouncey-DeCastro-Gilbert. But they aren't handing Adams anything. He'll have to take it. If he's not able to, they could just as easily revert back to Gilbert-Foster-Pouncey-DeCastro-Colon. Jobs aren't won in helmets and shorts during OTA's (especially on the OL...those jobs are won when full hitting is allowed in Latrobe).
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    As the guy that predicted Adams, Colon, Pouncey, DeCastro, Gilbert two weeks ago I do have to agree that Adams isnt being given anything and it easily could get Colon back on the outside if he doesnt take it. However, if Adams plays up to expected potential, we could have one of the best lines in the game in just one season.
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    Quote Originally Posted by steelz09 View Post
    I agree as well.

    As bad as the o-line has been let's face it, Arians didn't do them any favors from a play calling perspective. The opposing defenses would be sending the house at Ben over and over again and Arians is calling pass plays where his receivers are running routes 20 yards down field. Now, you could place the blame on Ben for not checking out of the play or adjusting to a different route such as a hot route. However, he can't blame Ben when the same stuff is happening over and over again.... for gods sake, adjust the play calling.
    Sorry but Ben has to take a lot of the blame because he loved BA and if it was up to him he would've brought him back this year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RuthlessBurgher View Post
    Using Colon at LG during OTA's guarantees Adams nothing. The OTA's are for learning and trying out new things (remember trying out Keisel at LB during OTA's or experimenting with a pony backfield in OTA's?). I'm sure the coaches are hopeful that Adams could be our answer at LT sooner rather than later, and would love to see our best 5 OL out there together from day one: Adams-Colon-Pouncey-DeCastro-Gilbert. But they aren't handing Adams anything. He'll have to take it. If he's not able to, they could just as easily revert back to Gilbert-Foster-Pouncey-DeCastro-Colon. Jobs aren't won in helmets and shorts during OTA's (especially on the OL...those jobs are won when full hitting is allowed in Latrobe).
    I don't think anyone is handing Adams anything. I do think the simple fact Colon was told he would be moving to G tells you the Steelers feel there are better fits at LT & RT in a combination of keeping Colon on the field while starting their best 5. I can't believe J Scott would be part of this equation based on his play last year. I also don't believe Essex, C Scott, or Turner are in the plans of starting in 2012. So Gilbert, Adams, and Starks seem to be fighting for 2 jobs. Since Starks isn't on this team yet & coming off injury, you would assume their goal would be to have Gilbert & Adams man those spots. Nobody wins their position in underwear but the coaches & FO know what direction they want to go in. They know what they have on the roster returning. They have made their investment based on thousands of man hours of scouting and film study. Their expectations might not end up being what takes the field opening day but be assured...They will push for the expectations to be realized. I believe their expectations is to have Adams-Colon-Pouncey-DeCastro-Gilbert starting. Possibly Gilbert & Adams flipped. Like you said Ruth, Adams will have to take it and prove himself....But the Steelers will give him EVERY opportunity to meet their expectations this year. Selecting DeCastro & Adams 1-2 speaks volumes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by feltdizz View Post
    Sorry but Ben has to take a lot of the blame because he loved BA and if it was up to him he would've brought him back this year.
    I would hope Ben and his man crush on Arians had nothing to do with Arians hanging around for so long.. Ben isn't the coach, the GM or the owner. Ben has no business persuading personnel decisions ... especially coaches.

    If he is then that is Tomlin's fault.
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