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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Lemming View Post
    I missed the part where you suggest that BC would win because he would have been less conservative and won the game on the arm of Mason Rudolph?
    meh.. Cowher had some rough years so anyone acting like every Cowher team fought hard and never lost to lesser teams is laughable.

    History has a way of making you appreciate coaches that you despised when they were on staff.

    All that being said, if Tomlin doesn’t win a playoff game soon its a wrap.
    I lost a bet about Najee gaining 1300 yards.

    "Our head coach has failed to win a playoff game for seven years in a row. His game day strategy, culture of divas, in game decisions, clock management, player evaluation, hires, and affinity with sub par starters at RB, P, and OL are holding the Steelers back. That standard remains the standard"



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    Quote Originally Posted by Joel Buchsbaum View Post
    No, his record vs. 500 teams is below Cohwer and Noll. .....
    Mathematically, you are correct. Hence my phrase "on par" with Noll and Cowher. They are all in the .700s career wins against sub .500 teams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by feltdizz View Post
    Then how did we end up 6-10 in 2003 if we had fight?

    How did we lose 6 of our last 7 games in 1998 to finish 7-9 with 2 of our losses to a Bengal team that only won 3 games total that year?

    Cowher went 6-10 twice and 7-9 twice. He had his warts.
    Cowher has something Tomiln lacks. A head coaching tree.

    Assistant coaches under Cowher that became head coaches in the NFL or NCAA:

    Dom Capers: Carolina Panthers (1995–199, Houston Texans (2002–2005)
    Chan Gailey: Dallas Cowboys (1998–1999), Georgia Tech (2002–2007), Buffalo Bills (2010–2012)
    Jim Haslett: New Orleans Saints (2000–2005), St. Louis Rams (200
    Dick LeBeau: Cincinnati Bengals (2000–2002)
    Marvin Lewis: Cincinnati Bengals (2003–201
    Mike Mularkey: Buffalo Bills (2004–2005), Jacksonville Jaguars (2012), Tennessee Titans (2015–2017)
    Ken Whisenhunt: Arizona Cardinals (2007–2012), Tennessee Titans (2014–2015)
    Bruce Arians: Indianapolis Colts (2012, interim), Arizona Cardinals (2013–2017), Tampa Bay Buccaneers (2019–2021)
    David Culley: Houston Texans (2021)


    And his playoff record is 12-9

    If he had Ben for longer in his carrer....If his wife did not become ill and die forcing him to quit and focus on his girls....
    Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game in seven years and counting. The earliest will be eight years. I guess that in Art Rooney's II, opinion is worth a 3 year extension.

    Our 2024 draft looks to be grade A. Our 2023 draft is an A. The roster is talented, but Mike Tomlin is still the head coach.

    *** Mike Tomlin is the best coach since the AFL- NFL merger that has not won a playoff game in 8 seasons or more. It's either him or Lewis. ***

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    Quote Originally Posted by feltdizz View Post
    Then how did we end up 6-10 in 2003 if we had fight?

    How did we lose 6 of our last 7 games in 1998 to finish 7-9 with 2 of our losses to a Bengal team that only won 3 games total that year?

    Cowher went 6-10 twice and 7-9 twice. He had his warts.
    The very best coaches (Tomlin is NOT one) have had down years. In case you weren't aware, Joe Gibbs, Chuck Noll, Jimmy Johnson, Bill Belichick, Bill Parcells, Andy Reid and Tom Landy had down years as coaches. Just in case you didn't know.
    Last edited by Woodson; 07-10-2024 at 09:39 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joel Buchsbaum View Post
    Cowher has something Tomiln lacks. A head coaching tree.

    Assistant coaches under Cowher that became head coaches in the NFL or NCAA:

    Dom Capers: Carolina Panthers (1995–199, Houston Texans (2002–2005)
    Chan Gailey: Dallas Cowboys (1998–1999), Georgia Tech (2002–2007), Buffalo Bills (2010–2012)
    Jim Haslett: New Orleans Saints (2000–2005), St. Louis Rams (200
    Dick LeBeau: Cincinnati Bengals (2000–2002)
    Marvin Lewis: Cincinnati Bengals (2003–201
    Mike Mularkey: Buffalo Bills (2004–2005), Jacksonville Jaguars (2012), Tennessee Titans (2015–2017)
    Ken Whisenhunt: Arizona Cardinals (2007–2012), Tennessee Titans (2014–2015)
    Bruce Arians: Indianapolis Colts (2012, interim), Arizona Cardinals (2013–2017), Tampa Bay Buccaneers (2019–2021)
    David Culley: Houston Texans (2021)


    And his playoff record is 12-9

    If he had Ben for longer in his carrer....If his wife did not become ill and die forcing him to quit and focus on his girls....
    I guess I'll ask the question; did those coaching trees lead to more SB wins for the Steelers? If not, then it matters little to me as a fan of the team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthCoast View Post
    I guess I'll ask the question; did those coaching trees lead to more SB wins for the Steelers? If not, then it matters little to me as a fan of the team.
    Post Cowher, Dick Lebueau and Bruce Arians help get us a super bowl, so YES. When they left we won few playoff games. You can look it up or you can just take my word for it.

    You can do Tomiln tree for head coaches and remember he has to hire them!
    Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game in seven years and counting. The earliest will be eight years. I guess that in Art Rooney's II, opinion is worth a 3 year extension.

    Our 2024 draft looks to be grade A. Our 2023 draft is an A. The roster is talented, but Mike Tomlin is still the head coach.

    *** Mike Tomlin is the best coach since the AFL- NFL merger that has not won a playoff game in 8 seasons or more. It's either him or Lewis. ***

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    Did Arians win a Super Bowl with Tampa?
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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthCoast View Post
    I guess I'll ask the question; did those coaching trees lead to more SB wins for the Steelers? If not, then it matters little to me as a fan of the team.
    It matters though in the "scheme" of things because Cowher's tree like anyone with a substantial tree demonstrates that the schemes were fresh and other teams wanted to emulate in a copycat league. The 34 D was cutting edge at the time. So other teams raided his staff.

    Conversely, Tomlin has largley been behind the curve schematically and relied on Ben, AB, or even TJ now with splash plays. There's been really nothing schematically for the longest that other teams would covet.

    The Coaching Tree argument in an unhealthy indicator of where the team has been with its schemes. I remember way back in 2010 or so Bill Belichick saying "The Steelers run the the same plays they ran 10 years ago."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Medisteel View Post
    It matters though in the "scheme" of things because Cowher's tree like anyone with a substantial tree demonstrates that the schemes were fresh and other teams wanted to emulate in a copycat league. The 34 D was cutting edge at the time. So other teams raided his staff.

    Conversely, Tomlin has largley been behind the curve schematically and relied on Ben, AB, or even TJ now with splash plays. There's been really nothing schematically for the longest that other teams would covet.

    The Coaching Tree argument in an unhealthy indicator of where the team has been with its schemes. I remember way back in 2010 or so Bill Belichick saying "The Steelers run the the same plays they ran 10 years ago."
    NOTHING is new or fresh with the Steelers, and hasn't been for 20 years. That's OK when you're winning rings, that's not OK when it's been 7 years since your last playoff win. But dumb @ss Tomlin just doesn't know any better, he's just clueless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodson View Post
    NOTHING is new or fresh with the Steelers, and hasn't been for 20 years. That's OK when you're winning rings, that's not OK when it's been 7 years since your last playoff win. But dumb @ss Tomlin just doesn't know any better, he's just clueless.
    This year feels like Back to the Future with Arthur Smith you know they will be very determined to run on 1st and 2nd downs and shorten games probably even more so than last year. Tomlin believes that's the path to glory with his high priced defense.

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