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  • WindyCitySteel
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    • Nov 2011
    • 15456

    A decade of overdrafting

    This is how you go from contender to pretender. Not counting 2023, too soon for Jones, hope he breaks the mold like Watt did.

    2022: Pickett
    2021: Najee
    2020: Claypool
    2019: Bush
    2018: Edmunds
    2017: Watt
    2016: Burns
    2015: Dupree
    2014: Shazier
    2013: Jarvis

    A couple great picks in Watt and Shazier, good pick in Dupree, the rest look like reaches. Look at the last five years. Yikes.
  • hawaiiansteel
    Legend
    • May 2008
    • 35220

    #2
    Fire Colbert!

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    • feltdizz
      Legend
      • May 2008
      • 27131

      #3
      Originally posted by hawaiiansteel
      Fire Colbert!
      lmaooooo.

      Now this is hilarious
      Steelers 27
      Rats 16

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      • Joel Buchsbaum
        Legend
        • Jan 2021
        • 7549

        #4
        Originally posted by WindyCitySteel
        This is how you go from contender to pretender. Not counting 2023, too soon for Jones, hope he breaks the mold like Watt did.

        2022: Pickett
        2021: Najee
        2020: Claypool
        2019: Bush
        2018: Edmunds
        2017: Watt
        2016: Burns
        2015: Dupree
        2014: Shazier
        2013: Jarvis

        A couple great picks in Watt and Shazier, good pick in Dupree, the rest look like reaches. Look at the last five years. Yikes.
        Form 2015-2021, outside of Watt who is brilliant that are some busts and disappointments. Not guys you can build around.
        Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game in seven years and counting. The earliest will be eight years. I guess that in Art Rooney's II, opinion is worth a 3 year extension.

        Our 2024 draft looks to be grade A. Our 2023 draft is an A. The roster is talented, but Mike Tomlin is still the head coach.

        *** Mike Tomlin is the best coach since the AFL- NFL merger that has not won a playoff game in 8 seasons or more. It's either him or Lewis. ***

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        • NorthCoast
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          • Sep 2008
          • 26058

          #5
          It's not a good record for sure and it's a primary reason why they are where they are today. I posted a writeup that rated teams drafts for the last decade (too lazy to go back and find) and it had the Steelers exactly average (16th). And this is exactly the team they have today...AVERAGE. Without the Watt pick it would have been way worse.

          (I'll give the org credit for the Claypool pick in turning it into a potential blockbuster with JPJ)

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          • whatever
            Legend
            • Sep 2019
            • 5717

            #6
            You are going to get a bunch of resistance.
            All our drafts have been great/good. Most of our fans graded them As and Bs.
            Only a few of us had criticisms of our selections.
            How is it possible to have the best owner, best front office, best gm, best HC, good/great drafts every year and good FA acquisitions every year, but only have 3 playoff wins in 14 years?

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            • SteelerOfDeVille
              Legend
              • May 2008
              • 9065

              #7
              I'm gonna take exception with Shazier....I will argue till I'm blue in the face

              And his last 2 years? Bud was damn good, just not the salary he was asking for. I think scheme and injury hurt him in TN
              2013 MNF Executive Champion!

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              • SteelerOfDeVille
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                • May 2008
                • 9065

                #8
                Originally posted by whatever
                You are going to get a bunch of resistance.
                All our drafts have been great/good. Most of our fans graded them As and Bs.
                Only a few of us had criticisms of our selections.
                I don't think you'll get as much resistance as you might think - especially from Edmunds forward when most of us wanted not only different people, but entirely different positions. That's why there are so many B's. "Ya filled a position of need, just not the position or guy I wanted"

                If 2023 tanks, most of us are on the hook for liking that draft. Myself, I would have made only one change through 4 rounds. Once ILB started popping off the board in the 3rd, I would have traded up and got Dorian Williams (ILB) instead of sitting and getting Washington.
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                • Chadman
                  Legend
                  • May 2008
                  • 6533

                  #9
                  A complete neglect of the trenches in the first round in 10 years.

                  Have the overall drafts been bad?

                  No.

                  But, 'reaches' in the 1st round do appear apparent.

                  Where I will dispute is actually Pickett & Najee. If anything, Pickett has proven to be the best QB of the expected early round QB's and is still too early to write off. Najee is a victim of poor calling & poor OL play combined. Is he a GREAT pick? No. But, I think he was a fine selection where he was (and he wasn't the guy I wanted, so there's that).

                  Watt & Shazier were outstanding picks.

                  Edmunds, not as BAD as some might tell you, was a bad reach. Jarvis Jones was a bust. Devon Bush set the franchise back- BAD selection & to trade up...the FO decided they wanted an ILB to 'be Shazier', regardless of if there was a player up to it or not.

                  For mine- Bush is the absolute worst of the picks.
                  The people that are trying to make the world worse never take a day off, why should I?

                  Light up the darkness.

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                  • whatever
                    Legend
                    • Sep 2019
                    • 5717

                    #10
                    Originally posted by SteelerOfDeVille
                    I don't think you'll get as much resistance as you might think - especially from Edmunds forward when most of us wanted not only different people, but entirely different positions. That's why there are so many B's. "Ya filled a position of need, just not the position or guy I wanted"

                    If 2023 tanks, most of us are on the hook for liking that draft. Myself, I would have made only one change through 4 rounds. Once ILB started popping off the board in the 3rd, I would have traded up and got Dorian Williams (ILB) instead of sitting and getting Washington.
                    Yea, maybe in hindsight but not when those players were drafted.
                    Even if most were Bs, how can a decade of B drafts along with the best HC in the league, result in 3 playoff wins?
                    How is it possible to have the best owner, best front office, best gm, best HC, good/great drafts every year and good FA acquisitions every year, but only have 3 playoff wins in 14 years?

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                    • SteelerOfDeVille
                      Legend
                      • May 2008
                      • 9065

                      #11
                      Originally posted by whatever
                      Yea, maybe in hindsight but not when those players were drafted.
                      Even if most were Bs, how can a decade of B drafts along with the best HC in the league, result in 3 playoff wins?
                      Not hindsight for me. I've wanted trenches for the better part of a decade. That's why I liked this past draft so much. They prioritized OL and DL...

                      But, then that's why I do DeVille does the offseason. So when we hit discussions like this, I already put it out there.

                      2022, they got the consensus best QB (in a weak draft) and 2 solid WR. The selection of Leal bumped it a full grade for me (I mocked him a round earlier).

                      2021, I mocked a C and OT on day 1 and 2 as most did...
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                      • Joel Buchsbaum
                        Legend
                        • Jan 2021
                        • 7549

                        #12
                        Colbert drafted 16 or 17 Pro bowl players. I stack that resume up vs ANY general manager.

                        Having said that, his last few years as a Steeler have been uneven.
                        Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game in seven years and counting. The earliest will be eight years. I guess that in Art Rooney's II, opinion is worth a 3 year extension.

                        Our 2024 draft looks to be grade A. Our 2023 draft is an A. The roster is talented, but Mike Tomlin is still the head coach.

                        *** Mike Tomlin is the best coach since the AFL- NFL merger that has not won a playoff game in 8 seasons or more. It's either him or Lewis. ***

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                        • Steel Maniac
                          Banned
                          • Apr 2017
                          • 19472

                          #13
                          Originally posted by WindyCitySteel
                          This is how you go from contender to pretender. Not counting 2023, too soon for Jones, hope he breaks the mold like Watt did.

                          2022: Pickett
                          2021: Najee
                          2020: Claypool
                          2019: Bush
                          2018: Edmunds
                          2017: Watt
                          2016: Burns
                          2015: Dupree
                          2014: Shazier
                          2013: Jarvis

                          A couple great picks in Watt and Shazier, good pick in Dupree, the rest look like reaches. Look at the last five years. Yikes.
                          Colbert did us no favors those last few years. I guess he checked out in a lot of ways. Burns was a flat out panic pick after Colbert/Tomlin told everyone who would listen on how they wanted Jackson. And the Bengals stuck it to them by taking Jackson just before them. But even if we had gotten Jackson, he too would have been a bust pick.

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                          • whatever
                            Legend
                            • Sep 2019
                            • 5717

                            #14
                            Originally posted by SteelerOfDeVille
                            Not hindsight for me. I've wanted trenches for the better part of a decade. That's why I liked this past draft so much. They prioritized OL and DL...

                            But, then that's why I do DeVille does the offseason. So when we hit discussions like this, I already put it out there.

                            2022, they got the consensus best QB (in a weak draft) and 2 solid WR. The selection of Leal bumped it a full grade for me (I mocked him a round earlier).

                            2021, I mocked a C and OT on day 1 and 2 as most did...
                            Well, you, me an a few others wanted to address the lines.
                            Plenty will now now jump on and say they wanted it too.
                            Not sure I remember too many giving out Cs and Ds tho when the organization drafted all those other positions instead of the lines.
                            How is it possible to have the best owner, best front office, best gm, best HC, good/great drafts every year and good FA acquisitions every year, but only have 3 playoff wins in 14 years?

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                            • whatever
                              Legend
                              • Sep 2019
                              • 5717

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Steel Maniac
                              Colbert did us no favors those last few years. I guess he checked out in a lot of ways. Burns was a flat out panic pick after Colbert/Tomlin told everyone who would listen on how they wanted Jackson. And the Bengals stuck it to them by taking Jackson just before them. But even if we had gotten Jackson, he too would have been a bust pick.
                              Quit blaming Colbert.
                              As many Tomlin supporters have said when a player flops, ‘ it is a team decision on who gets selected’
                              How is it possible to have the best owner, best front office, best gm, best HC, good/great drafts every year and good FA acquisitions every year, but only have 3 playoff wins in 14 years?

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