If Canada gets fired ......

[hawaiiansteel]

[Joel Buchsbaum]

I had forgotten all about Thomas. I don't think I've heard his name since he was hired. At this point anyone but Canada. I'm even down with bringing Ben in to call plays.

Very interesting. Be careful what you wish for. Ben to call the plays? Now Ben is respected by most in the locker room and knows more about the offense than say Tomlin, but he also has no football coaching experience or calling the plays. Tomlin does not like his coaches to wear gold jackets. Still this is intriguing point to ponder. The chances of Ben calling the Steelers plays to replace Canada is about even with you getting a date with Christie Brinkley .

[Joel Buchsbaum]

I agree that Canada is bad.

But putting Whaley forward as an example of someone who's good at evaluating QB talent isn't the argument I'd like to make.

He picked EJ Manuel at 16 (higher than Kenny). What was it that he did to nurture Manuel's talent? Manuel started 17 games with the Bills over 4 years (all years where Whaley was GM). His record with Buffalo was 6-11-0.

From 2013 - 2017 (when Whaley was the Bills GM), the Bills had 1 playoff appearance (lost WC), and never won more than 9 games (averaged 7.8 wins...largely because of poor QB play).

QB's that started the most games by season in his tenure with the Bills: Manuel, Orton, Taylor, Taylor, Taylor.

I'd imagine if he examined his tenure with the Bills, he'd argue that he did a good job building the team but that it's hard to get good QB play in the NFL and that the lack of success was because of poor QB play and not bad roster construction / coaching.

And his 1st round QB has higher pedigree than KP.

I do think that Canada sucks and should have been fired at the bye last year. But that doesn't absolve KP from playing horribly so far this year. A good QB in a bad system probably get's a first down in the first 20 minutes of ever game. And likely leads an offense that doesn't have a quarter of net negative yardage every game.

KP still has time to prove he belongs. But so far he's part of the problem, not the solution. That needs to change this week against a weak team.

+1. No on Whaley. Besides he did not attend or scout Maryland players, or did he?

[Chadman]

Either the Steelers are EXTREMELY bad at evaluating offensive talent, or, there is an issue with coaching.

I find it hard to believe that every offensive player that doesn't play WR is a bust player for the Steelers. Najee Harris shows flashes of being excellent. Pickett is just at the beginning of his career. All these upgrades on the OL and we still have poor OL play?

No. We cannot have scouts that are THAT bad.

Play calling, play design etc- need to be completely revitalised. Somewhere along the way, smashmouth football in Pittsburgh got lost. Now we play...something Ben designed for himself.

Get the OL right. Get the running game right. Get Pickett a #1 WR target. Play a fullback if you have to. We have championship winning defenders. We need acceptable offense. Start with getting to acceptable. Trick plays as a staple means you have no confidence in your players matching it with the opposition. For mine, we need Munchak, or someone of that ilk, to dumb it down & play effective offense.

[WindyCitySteel]

The ad hominem attacks on Whaley reek of desperate partisan politics, he's merely one for several former coaches/players/GMs to say this offensive coordinator sucks and is totally unqualified. You can't smear them all into irrelevance, at some point you have to face facts.

[NorthCoast]

Either the Steelers are EXTREMELY bad at evaluating offensive talent, or, there is an issue with coaching.

I find it hard to believe that every offensive player that doesn't play WR is a bust player for the Steelers. Najee Harris shows flashes of being excellent. Pickett is just at the beginning of his career. All these upgrades on the OL and we still have poor OL play?

No. We cannot have scouts that are THAT bad.

Play calling, play design etc- need to be completely revitalised. Somewhere along the way, smashmouth football in Pittsburgh got lost. Now we play...something Ben designed for himself.

Get the OL right. Get the running game right. Get Pickett a #1 WR target. Play a fullback if you have to. We have championship winning defenders. We need acceptable offense. Start with getting to acceptable. Trick plays as a staple means you have no confidence in your players matching it with the opposition. For mine, we need Munchak, or someone of that ilk, to dumb it down & play effective offense.

Good point Chadman. If every student in the class fails the test you gotta start looking at the teacher.

[Starlifter]

Good point Chadman. If every student in the class fails the test you gotta start looking at the teacher.

Hahaha. Had that happen at a company I worked at. The training dept tried to send a message and turned an open book test into a closed book test. When 2 out of 40 fail it?s a student problem. When 37 out of 40 fail it?s a TRAINING problem. The FAA was not amused?..

If only the Steelers had independent oversight?.

[SteelerOfDeVille]

No bro. Talents are not "wasted." In a perfect world all players would go to "perfect teams". All talented players would win championships. Luck? The bigger understanding is reality.

Sanders and Johnson are in the HOF. That's not talent wasted. It was a matter of timing for both players. Greatness is recognized.

I view waste talent as players that don't reach their full potential. Harris is on this path with is "spin move" approach. Harris is a grinder and run over defenders at the NFL level. He can't help a team win games with his approach at the NFL level. My "minor" scout opinion.

KP?

I hear ya. The cream rises.
But on your theory - If Bettis stays with the Rams, does he make the HOF? I don't think so.
If you look at Aikman's numbers, he does NOT deserve HOF... this isn't an era thing - his numbers were pretty average for the era as well (IIRC, he only broke 3000 yards passing in ONE season)
Perfect teams for those guys.

Again, I think it's all perspective.

I see a player not reaching his potential as a personal decision. He chose not to work hard for whatever his reasons were... not a waste. A choice.
(that one struck me because today I had a discussion at work about my own career path I intentionally stopped at a level rather than promotions because of family and other personal circumstances)

[SteelerOfDeVille]

Not true. If KP lived up to his end of the bargin. The organizations' opinion is the only opinion that matters. KP endorsed MC's return. KP has failed on his preseason execution promises.

Simply put, KP is failing coaches, players, and fans with is poor decision making and poor execution.

Bro, I've been around long enough to remember how fans hated and questioned every OC's decisions regardless of the QB that "LEAD" the team.

You can like him if you want. I don't.

This OC is especially bad.

I'm not saying Kenny has no blame to be shared. But, specific to Canada - no audibles. I've seen plays where i'm looking for KP to find the checkdown back, only to find that one doesn't exist. Basic failures in play design.

So, you can curse KP for not getting the first on 3rd and 1 in the 4th quarter and call it poor execution or decision making if you want. But, I strongly disagree with that assessment.

[feltdizz]

Either the Steelers are EXTREMELY bad at evaluating offensive talent, or, there is an issue with coaching.

I find it hard to believe that every offensive player that doesn't play WR is a bust player for the Steelers. Najee Harris shows flashes of being excellent. Pickett is just at the beginning of his career. All these upgrades on the OL and we still have poor OL play?

No. We cannot have scouts that are THAT bad.

Play calling, play design etc- need to be completely revitalised. Somewhere along the way, smashmouth football in Pittsburgh got lost. Now we play...something Ben designed for himself.

Get the OL right. Get the running game right. Get Pickett a #1 WR target. Play a fullback if you have to. We have championship winning defenders. We need acceptable offense. Start with getting to acceptable. Trick plays as a staple means you have no confidence in your players matching it with the opposition. For mine, we need Munchak, or someone of that ilk, to dumb it down & play effective offense.

Pickett has a number #1 WR in Pickens. Kenny will turn into a top 15 QB if he targets Pickens 12 times a game. Our whole passing offense should be focused around to Pickens to the point he gets doubled teams consistently.