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    Will the Steelers put 2 + 2 together?

    Okay defeat can be more instructive than victory. Rather that bitch and moan about our performance, Tomlin and Canada should focus on the positive, put players in the position to succeed, and change things up a bit. Who's with me?

    Here is what I recommend doing.

    Start Jones at Left tackle. Dude is a house of a run blocker, and he is a fighter with a prideful background. Yes he needs to work on / get help pass blocking the good wide - nine pass rushers, but a good coach should recognize his strengths and in-expericece. With Chucks hurting Moore jr coming off a really bad game, there is no reason he should not play.

    Play the 2 TE set more often with Washignton on the field next to Jones. Washington is quickly becoming a favorite player of mine. Line him up next to Jones. As a blocker he is excellent as a pass catcher he can be a weapon. Who can match up with him, who? This 6'7" monster blocks like a tackle, and is too big for DB's to cover, and too fast for most linebackers. He is a fast and quick athlete. They are few like him in the NFL. Limit his route tree and call more play action passing. And he can block well on the move too and will really limit the wide nine rushers on the outside which is a part of the game Jones needs to work on because he is a rookie. Play the dude. With the outside edge blocking it will be doggone impressive. ( Any UG Bulldog fans here)

    And finally get extra pass protection, and take advantage of this 2 TE formation play Warren more! Harris only took 50% of the snaps and is not the type of back to take things outside of the tackles, but Warren is.

    Keep it simple for Pickett and limit his reads. Give him better protection.

    IMO, this will transform our passing game and running game, setting up for dare I say it...play action. Make the other team adjust to us. Not, the other way around.
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    The Steelers had a great draft in 2023. However better play calling / coaching is badly needed. Tomlin is hasn't won a playoff game in six years and counting. Nor has hired anyone good to his coaching staff. Think about that. Mike Tomlin says, " hell yeah we've got to make some changes. " We are waiting. But Khan and Weidl appear to have better management on the salary cap and focused on the right free agents and draft needs.

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    Good post, Joel. Tomlin loves to use the "red paint" analogy. Well, they have TE/RB colored paint now. WR room is thin, no real experience there outside of Robinson, who has lost a step. They should scrap 11-personnel and start playing heavy, use play-action. Isolate a WR on a LB, give other teams a taste of that medicine. Jones move is a no-brainer -- he's a road grader. Don't wait until you're about to lose your 3rd straight again to do what you should have done with the rookie in the first place.

    Heck, I called for this to start the season. They need to establish an identity, which is the opposite of throwing 40-50 times a game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WindyCitySteel View Post
    Good post, Joel. Tomlin loves to use the "red paint" analogy. Well, they have TE/RB colored paint now. WR room is thin, no real experience there outside of Robinson, who has lost a step. They should scrap 11-personnel and start playing heavy, use play-action. Isolate a WR on a LB, give other teams a taste of that medicine. Jones move is a no-brainer -- he's a road grader. Don't wait until you're about to lose your 3rd straight again to do what you should have done with the rookie in the first place.

    Heck, I called for this to start the season. They need to establish an identity, which is the opposite of throwing 40-50 times a game.
    +1. Yes. Tomlin and Canada better make some changes to the offense.
    The Steelers had a great draft in 2023. However better play calling / coaching is badly needed. Tomlin is hasn't won a playoff game in six years and counting. Nor has hired anyone good to his coaching staff. Think about that. Mike Tomlin says, " hell yeah we've got to make some changes. " We are waiting. But Khan and Weidl appear to have better management on the salary cap and focused on the right free agents and draft needs.

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    We went into the season assuming that the Steelers were planning to be a run first team, and after last Sunday we have every reason to believe they should be now more than before. We saw constant pressure on Pickett, a bad game by Pickett, and lost the best receiver at separation on the team. You now go against a team with another of the game's premier pass rushers.

    Against San Fran, the Steelers were almost sacked as many times as they called run plays (5 sacks, 9 RB runs). Pickett dropped back 47 times (1 scramble run). Balance the running better and add PA, which is more effective when the D thinks you may actually run the ball. Finally, there was only one player who showed any explosiveness all day, but that was on ST. Get him more than 5 snaps and 2 touches on O, see if he can ignite something in space.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joel Buchsbaum View Post
    Okay defeat can be more instructive than victory. Rather that bitch and moan about our performance, Tomlin and Canada should focus on the positive, put players in the position to succeed, and change things up a bit. Who's with me?

    Here is what I recommend doing.

    Start Jones at Left tackle. Dude is a house of a run blocker, and he is a fighter with a prideful background. Yes he needs to work on / get help pass blocking the good wide - nine pass rushers, but a good coach should recognize his strengths and in-expericece. With Chucks hurting Moore jr coming off a really bad game, there is no reason he should not play.

    Play the 2 TE set more often with Washignton on the field next to Jones. Washington is quickly becoming a favorite player of mine. Line him up next to Jones. As a blocker he is excellent as a pass catcher he can be a weapon. Who can match up with him, who? This 6'7" monster blocks like a tackle, and is too big for DB's to cover, and too fast for most linebackers. He is a fast and quick athlete. They are few like him in the NFL. Limit his route tree and call more play action passing. And he can block well on the move too and will really limit the wide nine rushers on the outside which is a part of the game Jones needs to work on because he is a rookie. Play the dude. With the outside edge blocking it will be doggone impressive. ( Any UG Bulldog fans here)

    And finally get extra pass protection, and take advantage of this 2 TE formation play Warren more! Harris only took 50% of the snaps and is not the type of back to take things outside of the tackles, but Warren is.

    Keep it simple for Pickett and limit his reads. Give him better protection.

    IMO, this will transform our passing game and running game, setting up for dare I say it...play action. Make the other team adjust to us. Not, the other way around.
    I'd be more inclined to let Jones play at RT, especially if Chuks is out. Leave the other 4 guys in tact - Moore and Seumalo have already worked together, covering each other, etc. It also saves the rookie from having to protect the blind side while adjusting to NFL level pass rushers.

    We'll check the RB as the season goes, but game 1 Najee averaged over 5 YPC, Warren averaged 2. I honestly think their rotation *should* depend on the opponent and shouldn't be a blanket decision.
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    Quote Originally Posted by steeler_fan_in_t.o. View Post
    We went into the season assuming that the Steelers were planning to be a run first team, and after last Sunday we have every reason to believe they should be now more than before. We saw constant pressure on Pickett, a bad game by Pickett, and lost the best receiver at separation on the team. You now go against a team with another of the game's premier pass rushers.

    Against San Fran, the Steelers were almost sacked as many times as they called run plays (5 sacks, 9 RB runs). Pickett dropped back 47 times (1 scramble run). Balance the running better and add PA, which is more effective when the D thinks you may actually run the ball. Finally, there was only one player who showed any explosiveness all day, but that was on ST. Get him more than 5 snaps and 2 touches on O, see if he can ignite something in space.
    This is the frustrating thing to me -- they spent all offseason ostensibly building a run-first, play-action power offense, and then after the first bad run and a 7-0 deficit, they scrapped it all and went pass happy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WindyCitySteel View Post
    This is the frustrating thing to me -- they spent all offseason ostensibly building a run-first, play-action power offense, and then after the first bad run and a 7-0 deficit, they scrapped it all and went pass happy.
    yep, and this is more of a problem than play design. We go pass happy anytime we get down by a TD vs good teams and that has to stop.
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    The Steelers need to give Glenn Thomas a bigger role in the offensive game planning. Canada isn't going to get any better. He is who he is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WindyCitySteel View Post
    This is the frustrating thing to me -- they spent all offseason ostensibly building a run-first, play-action power offense, and then after the first bad run and a 7-0 deficit, they scrapped it all and went pass happy.
    It seemed to be a snowball thing. Bad first offensive series. Then defense lets down. OK, next series let's see if KP can dig us out like a franchise QB. Nope. Quick INT, and another opponent TD. Then the coaches went into panic mode instead of saying, ok ground and pound for a half, then let's see where we are then, they try to pass out of their hole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joel Buchsbaum View Post
    Okay defeat can be more instructive than victory. Rather that bitch and moan about our performance, Tomlin and Canada should focus on the positive, put players in the position to succeed, and change things up a bit. Who's with me?

    Here is what I recommend doing.

    Start Jones at Left tackle. Dude is a house of a run blocker, and he is a fighter with a prideful background. Yes he needs to work on / get help pass blocking the good wide - nine pass rushers, but a good coach should recognize his strengths and in-expericece. With Chucks hurting Moore jr coming off a really bad game, there is no reason he should not play.

    Play the 2 TE set more often with Washignton on the field next to Jones. Washington is quickly becoming a favorite player of mine. Line him up next to Jones. As a blocker he is excellent as a pass catcher he can be a weapon. Who can match up with him, who? This 6'7" monster blocks like a tackle, and is too big for DB's to cover, and too fast for most linebackers. He is a fast and quick athlete. They are few like him in the NFL. Limit his route tree and call more play action passing. And he can block well on the move too and will really limit the wide nine rushers on the outside which is a part of the game Jones needs to work on because he is a rookie. Play the dude. With the outside edge blocking it will be doggone impressive. ( Any UG Bulldog fans here)

    And finally get extra pass protection, and take advantage of this 2 TE formation play Warren more! Harris only took 50% of the snaps and is not the type of back to take things outside of the tackles, but Warren is.

    Keep it simple for Pickett and limit his reads. Give him better protection.

    IMO, this will transform our passing game and running game, setting up for dare I say it...play action. Make the other team adjust to us. Not, the other way around.
    And for goodness sake’s find a punter.

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