That 2008 D was outstanding

[whisper]

Yes, if you make me say it, I am going to say it was mostly Cowher's work that put that team together. Just look at the stars on that team - almost all of them added by Cowher in his tenure. But boy was it ever a solid defense and team. To me Cool Shades winning a chip with that team was akin to Barry Switzer winning one with the Cowboys in 1995.

Who was added by Tomlin in that D?

Aarin Smith? No. Casey Hampton? No. Brett Keisel? No. LaMarr Woodley? No. James Farrior?
Larry Foote? No. James Harrison? No. Ike Taylor? No. Bryant McFadden? No. Troy Polamalu? No.
Ryan Clark? No.

That was a stellar D, just outstanding.

[Polamalubeast]

Yes, if you make me say it, I am going to say it was mostly Cowher's work that put that team together. Just look at the stars on that team - almost all of them added by Cowher in his tenure. But boy was it ever a solid defense and team. To me Cool Shades winning a chip with that team was akin to Barry Switzer winning one with the Cowboys in 1995.

Who was added by Tomlin in that D?

Aarin Smith? No. Casey Hampton? No. Brett Keisel? No. LaMarr Woodley? No. James Farrior?
Larry Foote? No. James Harrison? No. Ike Taylor? No. Bryant McFadden? No. Troy Polamalu? No.
Ryan Clark? No.

That was a stellar D, just outstanding.

Lamarr Woodley was a Tomlin player....James Harrison was just a rotation player at best under Cowher.This defense has peak under Tomlin.The steelers were only the 8th favorite to win the super bowl in 2008...The cowboys were second in super bowl before the 1995 season

Sometimes,you need to check the fact before to said wrong thing...I mean you don't know that Woodley was drafted by Tomlin?

[feltdizz]

wasn?t Colbert the GM for those picks?

funny how Cowher gets the credit for those players being drafted.

Stains gonna troll tho lol

[Chucktownsteeler]

Yes, if you make me say it, I am going to say it was mostly Cowher's work that put that team together. Just look at the stars on that team - almost all of them added by Cowher in his tenure. But boy was it ever a solid defense and team. To me Cool Shades winning a chip with that team was akin to Barry Switzer winning one with the Cowboys in 1995.

Who was added by Tomlin in that D?

Aarin Smith? No. Casey Hampton? No. Brett Keisel? No. LaMarr Woodley? No. James Farrior?
Larry Foote? No. James Harrison? No. Ike Taylor? No. Bryant McFadden? No. Troy Polamalu? No.
Ryan Clark? No.

That was a stellar D, just outstanding.

[Captain Lemming]

Whisper IS correct. There is no denying it. The great Steeler defense of 2008 were largely players we got under Cowher.

I liked both coaches and support Tomlin

But to deny that fact that Tomlin won with players largely acquired by Cowher is to deny the facts.

I have my biases but I try to be fair when it comes to the facts. When whisper is right, he is right.

[Joel Buchsbaum]

Almost all of our key players were guys were Cowher developed on that team, and Colbert did a fine job as GM back then. Tomlin inhertied a super bowl team that has won recently before in the past. They were " Bill Cowher " players. This is not to say that Tomlin did nothing but the key coaches on offense and defense were hired by Cowher.

[whisper]

Whisper IS correct. There is no denying it. The great Steeler defense of 2008 were largely players we got under Cowher.

I liked both coaches and support Tomlin

But to deny that fact that Tomlin won with players largely acquired by Cowher is to deny the facts.

I have my biases but I try to be fair when it comes to the facts. When whisper is right, he is right.

Thank you for saying that. I respect someone who can see the truth and acknowledge it.

[feltdizz]

so now Cowher is the GM and not Colbert?

You do realize this means Tomlin is the reason Khan and Weidl did a good job.

So weird to constantly try and replay the past and give 1 man all the glory while using a scalpel to dissect any positives from Tomlin now that our GM no longer has a franchise QB on the cap and the flexibility to really use FA and have a great draft.

[whisper]

Almost all of our key players were guys were Cowher developed on that team, and Colbert did a fine job as GM back then. Tomlin inhertied a super bowl team that has won recently before in the past. They were " Bill Cowher " players. This is not to say that Tomlin did nothing but the key coaches on offense and defense were hired by Cowher.

The team was good work done partly by Colbert, which is why, in my recent critique of him, I specified the "work" he had done in the last "10 years" not including the work he had done in helping build the 2004-2010 teams, as those teams were built over 10 years ago. It is 2023. I went back to 2011 to showcase what I feel is inferior work as a GM, which is indeed valid criticism.

[Polamalubeast]

Thank you for saying that. I respect someone who can see the truth and acknowledge it.

Same for me...Unfortunately, you are unable to have this standard and tell the truth...as Woodley was not a Cowher player

[Chucktownsteeler]

Whisper IS correct. There is no denying it. The great Steeler defense of 2008 were largely players we got under Cowher.

I liked both coaches and support Tomlin

But to deny that fact that Tomlin won with players largely acquired by Cowher is to deny the facts.

I have my biases but I try to be fair when it comes to the facts. When whisper is right, he is right.

But you know his agenda, Cowher good, Tomlin bad.

[Captain Lemming]

Whisper IS correct. There is no denying it. The great Steeler defense of 2008 were largely players we got under Cowher.

I liked both coaches and support Tomlin

But to deny that fact that Tomlin won with players largely acquired by Cowher is to deny the facts.

I have my biases but I try to be fair when it comes to the facts. When whisper is right, he is right.

Let us roll with the false COWHERS PLAYERS narrative (GMs primary role) shall we?

Tomlin received from Cowher the:
-Number 11th scoring defense and turned it to NUMBER 1
-Number 9th yardage defense and turned it to NUMBER 1
-Number 3 rush defense and turned it to NUMBER 2
-Number 20th pass defense and turned it to NUMBER 1
-Number 8th red zone defense and turned it to NUMBER 1
-A backup edge and turned him into the DPOY
-A benched corner and turned him into the only corner not named Revis who could shut down elite receivers
-A safety Cowher got from the Redskins who was thought a failed mistake in 2006 into a pro bowler

Increased sacks from 39 to 51 DESPITE LOSING COWHERS BEST PASS RUSHER (Porter)

Cowher in FIFTEEN SEASONS AS HEAD COACH has never coached COWHERS defense better than Tomlin did TWICE!!! (2010 too).

The FACT that COWHERS PLAYERS were DRAMATICALLY BETTER when under Tomlin says all you need to know about how effective Tomlin is as a coach.

If Tomlin QUIT TODAY and our defense was NUMBER ONE ACROSS THE BOARD not one of you haters is gonna credit TOMLINS PLAYERS for the success of the new coach.

[Captain Lemming]

But you know his agenda, Cowher good, Tomlin bad.

Oh I know that as you now can see.
You got to set up the pins before you bowl strikes. (Oh yes I can do Tomlinisms too my friend).

You just witnessed the devastating effectiveness in how I play this game.

[Captain Lemming]

Thank you for saying that. I respect someone who can see the truth and acknowledge it.

Absolutely. You are welcome.

[flippy]

Let us roll with the false COWHERS PLAYERS narrative (GMs primary role) shall we?

Tomlin received from Cowher the:
-Number 11th scoring defense and turned it to NUMBER 1
-Number 9th yardage defense and turned it to NUMBER 1
-Number 3 rush defense and turned it to NUMBER 2
-Number 20th pass defense and turned it to NUMBER 1
-Number 8th red zone defense and turned it to NUMBER 1
-A backup edge and turned him into the DPOY
-A benched corner and turned him into the only corner not named Revis who could shut down elite receivers
-A safety Cowher got from the Redskins who was thought a failed mistake in 2006 into a pro bowler

Increased sacks from 39 to 51 DESPITE LOSING COWHERS BEST PASS RUSHER (Porter)

Cowher in FIFTEEN SEASONS AS HEAD COACH has never coached COWHERS defense better than Tomlin did TWICE!!! (2010 too).

The FACT that COWHERS PLAYERS were DRAMATICALLY BETTER when under Tomlin says all you need to know about how effective Tomlin is as a coach.

If Tomlin QUIT TODAY and our defense was NUMBER ONE ACROSS THE BOARD not one of you haters is gonna credit TOMLINS PLAYERS for the success of the new coach.

In fairness, the great D?s weren?t as much Cowher or Tomlin?s as they were Lebeau?s.

Hopefully this year?s D makes us forget them all.