The trade offer Khan did to take

[NorthCoast]

you are correct we need 2-3 rookies to contribute immediately if not start. Almost crazy thought to long term Steeler fans. Remember Troy his rookie year? 1st round draft pick that was traded up for but still not anointed the starter.

Rookies never started back in the day. But I think it is a league wide deal that they now do. not just the Steelers.

Agree 100%. Two starters from any draft would be considered a good draft. Three starters would be an excellent draft. But even first round picks fail at a rate >50% (ref. the number of picks that did not have their 5th yr option picked up this year).

Fingers crossed that the revamped Steelers scouting dept did their homework and found the right players.

[whisper]

Agree 100%. Two starters from any draft would be considered a good draft. Three starters would be an excellent draft. But even first round picks fail at a rate >50% (ref. the number of picks that did not have their 5th yr option picked up this year).

Fingers crossed that the revamped Steelers scouting dept did their homework and found the right players.

It would be hard to not improve over the last guys; look at the 10-year history of drafting. Not the best.

[Captain Lemming]

Absolutely agree...

I know it's too soon and I'm just speculating, but it will be interesting to see what the Steelers do with Pat Freirmuth if Darnell Washington becomes a great player.

I’d still like the one two punch. Base 12… I’m about that.

Come contract time for PF it might matter though.

[Joel Buchsbaum]

Next year 3rd = This year 4th as far as the value scale is concerned.

Hard pass if all that means is picking up a next year 3rd and missing out on your guy.

Khan said there were multiple team giving him calls, presumably to trade up for Levis. I think one of them offered more than a 3rd round picking to swap places in round two. Did we pass on a 1st for next year, or a 3rd and multiple draft picks to stay put and select Porter? We don't know as fans. I hope the Steelers worked those phones. Perhaps one day there will be a public draft portal where all team MUST enter proposed trades in a public forum during draft day. It would make things very interesting for the fans!

I like Porter but what did we turn down to select him? Next years 1st and a 3rd to exchange draft picks in round two? I take that deal.

[whisper]

I'd be patient with Porter more so than the other rookies simply because he is a corner back in the NFL . This is not a position that produces quickly. He was dominant is play in a rather narrow role in college. I did not see he covering certain routes much. And he was handsy. Don't get me wrong he is talented , but you can get away with his play especially at home with big ten officials. The NFL is a different place. I do like his length and ability to knock away the football. He orders good speed, but average type of quickness. A big physical corner.

Sauce Gardner disagrees.

[SteelerOfDeVille]

Khan said there were multiple team giving him calls, presumably to trade up for Levis. I think one of them offered more than a 3rd round picking to swap places in round two. Did we pass on a 1st for next year, or a 3rd and multiple draft picks to stay put and select Porter? We don't know as fans. I hope the Steelers worked those phones. Perhaps one day there will be a public draft portal where all team MUST enter proposed trades in a public forum during draft day. It would make things very interesting for the fans!

I like Porter but what did we turn down to select him? Next years 1st and a 3rd to exchange draft picks in round two? I take that deal.

If you're going to make up offers that he turned down, why not just say he passed on firsts for the next 5 seasons?

[Captain Lemming]

Khan said there were multiple team giving him calls, presumably to trade up for Levis. I think one of them offered more than a 3rd round picking to swap places in round two. Did we pass on a 1st for next year, or a 3rd and multiple draft picks to stay put and select Porter? We don't know as fans. I hope the Steelers worked those phones. Perhaps one day there will be a public draft portal where all team MUST enter proposed trades in a public forum during draft day. It would make things very interesting for the fans!

I like Porter but what did we turn down to select him? Next years 1st and a 3rd to exchange draft picks in round two? I take that deal.

While we don’t KNOW what was offered, I’d suggest your high end speculation is WAY over the top.

They were excited to have the leverage and listened to offers would suggest that an outrageously stupid offer would be accepted.

Biggest reason to pretty much KNOW this was not offered?

If Levis was THAT hot a property, he would have gone in the first.

[steeler_fan_in_t.o.]

As it turned out, no other CB was taken between Porter and pick #41. If Khan/Weidl (yes, I include them both) truly thought that JPJ was their one guy, then good move getting him at 32. If they were afraid that there would be a run on DBs and would have been almost as happy with Brents/Branch/Stevenson etc. then the lack of gamble failed.

Other than that, I trust their personnel acumen more than anyone on this board (or twitter, or the internet at large) so let's stop living in the past and get excited for the young energy that this team will bring, and see if they are on the right path towards contending in the near future.

[SteelerOfDeVille]

While we don?t KNOW what was offered, I?d suggest your high end speculation is WAY over the top.

They were excited to have the leverage and listened to offers would suggest that an outrageously stupid offer would be accepted.

Biggest reason to pretty much KNOW this was not offered?

If Levis was THAT hot a property, he would have gone in the first.

EXACTLY... at the absolute minimum, you trade back to the end of the 1st like the Ravens did with Lamar to secure the additional year of control over his contract.

[SteelerOfDeVille]

As it turned out, no other CB was taken between Porter and pick #41. If Khan/Weidl (yes, I include them both) truly thought that JPJ was their one guy, then good move getting him at 32. If they were afraid that there would be a run on DBs and would have been almost as happy with Brents/Branch/Stevenson etc. then the lack of gamble failed.

Other than that, I trust their personnel acumen more than anyone on this board (or twitter, or the internet at large) so let's stop living in the past and get excited for the young energy that this team will bring, and see if they are on the right path towards contending in the near future.

I agree with your first sentence of your first paragraph. I don't buy the "no other __ was taken" argument. It assumes all players are equal and that through all the scouting, the team couldn't determine if a player that is better than the others - if that's the case, fire your scouts. Porter was considered a 1st rounder by many. Most of those other guys were not.

People said as much for KP last year - I tend to think that based on results, he deserved to be 2-3 rounds ahead of Malik Willis and scouts seem to have done their job.

Now you can do all your scouting and guys just don't perform, but that's a different issue. There's always guys who overperform their selection because mental toughness and football instincts can't be measured.

[Northern_Blitz]

If you're going to make up offers that he turned down, why not just say he passed on firsts for the next 5 seasons?

I think it's a pretty safe assumption to think that whoever picked after us took the best deal that was offered. And since they were trading up for the same player, it seems pretty obvious that was the deal we turned down.

[Northern_Blitz]

I agree with your first sentence of your first paragraph. I don't buy the "no other __ was taken" argument. It assumes all players are equal and that through all the scouting, the team couldn't determine if a player that is better than the others - if that's the case, fire your scouts. Porter was considered a 1st rounder by many. Most of those other guys were not.

People said as much for KP last year - I tend to think that based on results, he deserved to be 2-3 rounds ahead of Malik Willis and scouts seem to have done their job.

Now you can do all your scouting and guys just don't perform, but that's a different issue. There's always guys who overperform their selection because mental toughness and football instincts can't be measured.

I agree with this for the same reasons.

Pickett almost certainly wouldn't have fallen as far as the 3rd if we didn't pick him.

I think it's less certain with Porter, but who knows.

If he's the best guy on your board and you don't have enough guys you want between him and the pick you'd get in the trade. You happily take the guy.

Hopefully it works out. Would be nice to have an above average CB.

[SteelerOfDeVille]

I think it's a pretty safe assumption to think that whoever picked after us took the best deal that was offered. And since they were trading up for the same player, it seems pretty obvious that was the deal we turned down.

IKR... it's obvious to most

[Joel Buchsbaum]

While we don’t KNOW what was offered, I’d suggest your high end speculation is WAY over the top.

They were excited to have the leverage and listened to offers would suggest that an outrageously stupid offer would be accepted.

Biggest reason to pretty much KNOW this was not offered?

If Levis was THAT hot a property, he would have gone in the first.

Some one should ask Khan that question. What was the best offer a 1st, or a second next year? Teams that pick between 24-31 generally do not draft QB in round one so Levis did not to go there. He was in fact HOT property with the 33rd overall pick in the 2023 draft. Indeed some traded up for him. I suspect the Titans were not our best offer,

[Northern_Blitz]

Some one should ask Khan that question. What was the best offer a 1st, or a second next year? Teams that pick between 24-31 generally do not draft QB in round one so Levis did not to go there. He was in fact HOT property with the 33rd overall pick in the 2023 draft. Indeed some traded up for him. I suspect the Titans were not our best offer,

While someone could certainly ask, I think it would be foolish for a GM to answer this kind of question.

I assume that trade talks are generally considered to be "off the record" and blabbing details to the media seems like a poor way to foster relationships that lead to future trades.