Did you see him start and beat Dallas leading his offense to 26 points? IMO he showed better command and a better arm than Pickett. Dallas needed to win that game. You're right its only one game. Where is Picketts best stuff beating a playoff team with their first string QB? What is his best game performance? You tell me. Like I said you can debate who was better as a rookie.Originally Posted by feltdizz
The Steelers had a great draft in 2023. However better play calling / coaching is badly needed. Tomlin is 19-18-1 in last 38 games played and hasn't won a playoff game in six years and counting. Nor has hired anyone good to his coaching staff. Think about that. But Khan and Weidl appear to have better management on the salary cap and focused on the right free agents and draft needs.
in that game, Howell was 11-19 for only 169 yds with 1 TD along with 1 INT for a measly QBR of 46.4.
so impressive
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Here's how I see it. KP was playing what 12 or 13 starts. There was plenty of film on him. D coordinators could game plan for him and he finished 7-2. You are comparing him against a 1 start QB. Nobody knew what Howell could do.
There is no comparison. It's apples to oranges. KP was 7-2 and they planned for him. He didn't get shook up. Sometimes rookies collapse. He got better every game.
Nothing but positives from me. I feel good about him in 2023.
Not to defend JB's comment which seemed to ruffle some feathers, but KP had QBR's of 39.9 and 28.7 which both came after his first start. Howell's 46.4 wasn't so bad vs a playoff team.
Still very hard to compare based on 1 start, but you could see some signs and I think that's what JB is pointing at.
Troy Polamalu was a bust after one season.
Not to defend but..........
You say hard................but then.....
I don't understand.
Last edited by BURGH86STEEL; 05-04-2023 at 08:53 PM.
Signs that Howell might be good, and nothing to do with KP since it's very hard to compare based on 1 game.
There's ZERO comparison points in my post.
Talking about Troy (or Josh Allen) like this is survivorship bias. Most guys who have bad first seasons have bad careers (Note: I do not think KP had a bad season...he had a mixed season. Played well in high pressure situations. But is also close to last in some important situations too. But I think glimpses of great plays is a reasonable expectation of a rookie and KP had that IMO).
And part of the thing with Troy was that he didn't start games in year 1. Which was much more common in 2003 than it is now IMO.
I think the best counter argument here is that Troy didn't get LeBeau until year 2. Which is part of the reason many of us wanted a new OC that was specifically chosen to create an offense around Kenny.
Last edited by Northern_Blitz; 05-05-2023 at 10:20 AM.
Looking at some stats from last season it's clear where KP needs big improvement. Here's his completion % against defenses:
Defense Comp% League_Leader* Zone 68% G. Smith - 73% Man-Cover 1 57% Garoppolo - 69% Man-Cover 2 42% Mahomes - 71%
*min. 10 games started
Yes, when in man coverage some of that falls on the receiver to catch in traffic or get separation. I especially point out Pickens. Great for highlight films but dude needs to improve his route running.
Last edited by NorthCoast; 05-15-2023 at 04:34 PM.
I don't recall Troy having a *bad* first season.
I recall a coach who didn't play many rookies on his defense because they had a tendency to make more mistakes.
*carry on*
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You're the one who said he was a bust after year 1, not me.
Also...way to sidestep the point of the post.
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