All of the players we selected were "Steelers types" and BPA who represented "incredibly great value" where we drafted them.
quite frankly, it's amazing they were all even still available. pretty much, every single one of them was the "steal of the draft".
Steelers’ 2023 Draft Haul Earns A+ Grade From Pro Football Focus
https://steelersdepot.com/2023/04/st...medium=twitter
Last edited by hawaiiansteel; 05-05-2023 at 06:36 PM.
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I liked this class a lot better before I found out about the PFF grade
As the old saying goes.. A broken clock is right twice a day. Lol
We landed a consensus top 5 draft class.. id be shocked to see anything lower published.
Don't get the hate, when PFF grades the Steelers poorly, people complain. When they grade them well, people still complain.
Maybe take the good with the bad news instead of always killing the messenger.
Last edited by WindyCitySteel; 04-30-2023 at 07:52 PM.
Makes perfect sense. Why the surprise? We keep telling you that criticism on this forum is not just about them hating Steelers.
It is that their methodology is not perfect like some people seem to think.
Do yourself a favor. Read up on their edge player ranking they put up as a stand alone article during TJs record season. Watt is deservedly listed as the best BY THEM.
https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-2022-ed...ankings-tiers/
They CLEARLY don’t hate him.
However, they scored him fourth or 5th that season by their actual scoring system THAT SAME SEASON.
Windy pff DOES NOT AGREE WITH THEIR OWN SCORING SYSTEM.
Dude they rate Kenny higher than Dizz which is a pretty high bar.
Clearly, they don’t hate Steelers.
But the implication that Kenny has had a game on par with VINTAGE BEN? I like Kenny but that is ridiculous.
I don’t say it has no value but it frequently does not meet a simple “use your eyes test.”
Last edited by Captain Lemming; 05-03-2023 at 10:56 AM.
In view of the fact that Mike Tomlin has matched Cowhers record I give him the designation:
TCFCLTC-
The Coach Formerly Considered Less Than Cowher
PFF is flawed with QB ratings due the way it calculates meaningless completions and yards.Makes perfect sense. Why the surprise? We keep telling you that criticism on this forum is not just about them hating Steelers.
It is that their methodology is not perfect like some people seem to think.
Do yourself a favor. Read up on their edge player ranking they put up as a stand alone article during TJs record season. Watt is deservedly listed as the best BY THEM.
https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-2022-ed...ankings-tiers/
They CLEARLY don’t hate him.
However, they scored him fourth or 5th that season by their actual scoring system THAT SAME SEASON.
Windy pff DOES NOT AGREE WITH THEIR OWN SCORING SYSTEM.
Dude they rate Kenny higher than Dizz which is a pretty high bar.
Clearly, they don’t hate Steelers.
But the implication that Kenny has had a game on par with VINTAGE BEN? I like Kenny but that is ridiculous.
I don’t say it has no value but it frequently does not meet a simple “use your eyes test.”
A QB gets an 86.3 PFF passing score with these stats 20-28-174-0-0, while 30-39-360-5-0 earns a 75.1 rating LOL.
Their algorithm is good for a laugh. I tend to ignore their QB grades and use the site for their in-depth stats among other things.
This guy did some maths:Makes perfect sense. Why the surprise? We keep telling you that criticism on this forum is not just about them hating Steelers.
It is that their methodology is not perfect like some people seem to think.
Do yourself a favor. Read up on their edge player ranking they put up as a stand alone article during TJs record season. Watt is deservedly listed as the best BY THEM.
https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-2022-ed...ankings-tiers/
They CLEARLY don?t hate him.
However, they scored him fourth or 5th that season by their actual scoring system THAT SAME SEASON.
Windy pff DOES NOT AGREE WITH THEIR OWN SCORING SYSTEM.
Dude they rate Kenny higher than Dizz which is a pretty high bar.
Clearly, they don?t hate Steelers.
But the implication that Kenny has had a game on par with VINTAGE BEN? I like Kenny but that is ridiculous.
I don?t say it has no value but it frequently does not meet a simple ?use your eyes test.?
EPA aligns best with winning
Expected Points Added measures how a quarterback's play contributed to scoring points, so it's not all that surprising that it does the best job predicting MoV, and by extension, wins. The higher the QB's EPA, the more points the team was likely to score (even if those points really shouldn't have been fully attributed to the QB).
Looking at the RSQ of our QB metrics, we see that EPA aligns most closely to wins, followed, by the seemingly less advanced metrics ANY/A and Passer Rating:
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You just don't understand how they grade. Kenny could only be graded on what they allowed him to do, PFF pointed out early and often that the Steelers don't scheme up any free yards. Kenny didn't come close to Ben's best counting stats because the system doesn't allow it. Ben didn't either under Canada.Makes perfect sense. Why the surprise? We keep telling you that criticism on this forum is not just about them hating Steelers.
It is that their methodology is not perfect like some people seem to think.
Do yourself a favor. Read up on their edge player ranking they put up as a stand alone article during TJs record season. Watt is deservedly listed as the best BY THEM.
https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-2022-ed...ankings-tiers/
They CLEARLY don?t hate him.
However, they scored him fourth or 5th that season by their actual scoring system THAT SAME SEASON.
Windy pff DOES NOT AGREE WITH THEIR OWN SCORING SYSTEM.
Dude they rate Kenny higher than Dizz which is a pretty high bar.
Clearly, they don?t hate Steelers.
But the implication that Kenny has had a game on par with VINTAGE BEN? I like Kenny but that is ridiculous.
I don?t say it has no value but it frequently does not meet a simple ?use your eyes test.?
I think this is a very good draft. Several if my target players were taken and aside from out 3rd round pick, I think we nailed it.
The Steelers had a great draft in 2023. However better play calling / coaching is badly needed. Tomlin is hasn't won a playoff game in six years and counting. Nor has hired anyone good to his coaching staff. Think about that. Mike Tomlin says, " hell yeah we've got to make some changes. " We are waiting. But Khan and Weidl appear to have better management on the salary cap and focused on the right free agents and draft needs.
I'm pretty happy with our 3rd rounder, much more so than if he'd been taken at #17 or #32 or even #49
He has potential to be a stud and should immediately help out our run blocking
At this point, I can't complain about this draft.
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