Steelers’ 2023 Draft Haul Earns A+ Grade From Pro Football Focus

[crushedspirit]

Makes perfect sense. Why the surprise? We keep telling you that criticism on this forum is not just about them hating Steelers.

It is that their methodology is not perfect like some people seem to think.

Do yourself a favor. Read up on their edge player ranking they put up as a stand alone article during TJs record season. Watt is deservedly listed as the best BY THEM.

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-2022-ed...ankings-tiers/

They CLEARLY don’t hate him.

However, they scored him fourth or 5th that season by their actual scoring system THAT SAME SEASON.

Windy pff DOES NOT AGREE WITH THEIR OWN SCORING SYSTEM.

Dude they rate Kenny higher than Dizz which is a pretty high bar.

Clearly, they don’t hate Steelers.

But the implication that Kenny has had a game on par with VINTAGE BEN? I like Kenny but that is ridiculous.

I don’t say it has no value but it frequently does not meet a simple “use your eyes test.”

PFF is flawed with QB ratings due the way it calculates meaningless completions and yards.

A QB gets an 86.3 PFF passing score with these stats 20-28-174-0-0, while 30-39-360-5-0 earns a 75.1 rating LOL.

Their algorithm is good for a laugh. I tend to ignore their QB grades and use the site for their in-depth stats among other things.

[NorthCoast]

Makes perfect sense. Why the surprise? We keep telling you that criticism on this forum is not just about them hating Steelers.

It is that their methodology is not perfect like some people seem to think.

Do yourself a favor. Read up on their edge player ranking they put up as a stand alone article during TJs record season. Watt is deservedly listed as the best BY THEM.

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-2022-ed...ankings-tiers/

They CLEARLY don?t hate him.

However, they scored him fourth or 5th that season by their actual scoring system THAT SAME SEASON.

Windy pff DOES NOT AGREE WITH THEIR OWN SCORING SYSTEM.

Dude they rate Kenny higher than Dizz which is a pretty high bar.

Clearly, they don?t hate Steelers.

But the implication that Kenny has had a game on par with VINTAGE BEN? I like Kenny but that is ridiculous.

I don?t say it has no value but it frequently does not meet a simple ?use your eyes test.?

This guy did some maths:

EPA aligns best with winning
Expected Points Added measures how a quarterback's play contributed to scoring points, so it's not all that surprising that it does the best job predicting MoV, and by extension, wins. The higher the QB's EPA, the more points the team was likely to score (even if those points really shouldn't have been fully attributed to the QB).

Looking at the RSQ of our QB metrics, we see that EPA aligns most closely to wins, followed, by the seemingly less advanced metrics ANY/A and Passer Rating:


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[crushedspirit]

QB EPA has always been the overall best indicator since it tracks running as well and weighs passes that move the chains and overall productiveness of all QB plays. If a QB moves his team into scoring position then obviously he is the more productive over empty yards that don't put the team into any scoring positions.

[WindyCitySteel]

Makes perfect sense. Why the surprise? We keep telling you that criticism on this forum is not just about them hating Steelers.

It is that their methodology is not perfect like some people seem to think.

Do yourself a favor. Read up on their edge player ranking they put up as a stand alone article during TJs record season. Watt is deservedly listed as the best BY THEM.

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-2022-ed...ankings-tiers/

They CLEARLY don?t hate him.

However, they scored him fourth or 5th that season by their actual scoring system THAT SAME SEASON.

Windy pff DOES NOT AGREE WITH THEIR OWN SCORING SYSTEM.

Dude they rate Kenny higher than Dizz which is a pretty high bar.

Clearly, they don?t hate Steelers.

But the implication that Kenny has had a game on par with VINTAGE BEN? I like Kenny but that is ridiculous.

I don?t say it has no value but it frequently does not meet a simple ?use your eyes test.?

You just don't understand how they grade. Kenny could only be graded on what they allowed him to do, PFF pointed out early and often that the Steelers don't scheme up any free yards. Kenny didn't come close to Ben's best counting stats because the system doesn't allow it. Ben didn't either under Canada.

[steeler_fan_in_t.o.]

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Patrick Peterson on Darnell Washington: “To me, I thought that was the steal of the draft.”

https://twitter.com/Alex_Kozora?ref_...Ctwgr%5Eauthor

I didn't know that Peterson posts on this board.

[Northern_Blitz]

You just don't understand how they grade. Kenny could only be graded on what they allowed him to do, PFF pointed out early and often that the Steelers don't scheme up any free yards. Kenny didn't come close to Ben's best counting stats because the system doesn't allow it. Ben didn't either under Canada.

Exactly!

PFF grading tells people one thing. How well did they do the thing that PFF thinks they were asked to do.

It specifically isn't trying to ask the question "does the QB <or other player> help the team win".

And it never asks the question "why are they only asking him to do that?".

This is part of the reason why it's a good metric for providing part of the puzzle. But not the whole picture. Just like any other single stat.

[hawaiiansteel]

[Northern_Blitz]

PFF Video draft grade.

Hope they are right.

[Captain Lemming]

PFF Video draft grade.

Hope they are right.

Dizz said it best:

Only time I like PFF is when they agree with me.. lol

[hawaiiansteel]

Did the Steelers get the steal of the 2023 #NFLDraft or were other teams wise to pass on TE Darnell Washington?

Let's take a look.

https://steelersdepot.com/2023/05/en...ll-washington/