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  • whisper
    Legend
    • Mar 2020
    • 9423

    When do you start to worry?

    OK, most everyone knows our O needs to put more points up in order for us to even pretend to contend, and that includes Tomlin, Canada and Rooney. So. it's week 1 and we only score 16. Ok, then it's week 2 and we score 13. Then week 3 rolls around and we score 17. At what point do you start to become concerned that the O simply isn't scoring enough? Week 4 we score 20. Week 5 we put up 18. Nervous yet? The top 4 remaining teams in the playoffs I believe all scored in the mid-20s PPG. It matters. It's going to matter. If we don't want to get blasted out of the playoffs, again, we are going to need to find a way to put up points. We were 28th in the NFL in scoring TDs. 28th.
  • Blitzer
    Pro Bowler
    • Nov 2022
    • 1072

    #2
    Originally posted by whisper
    OK, most everyone knows our O needs to put more points up in order for us to even pretend to contend, and that includes Tomlin, Canada and Rooney. So. it's week 1 and we only score 16. Ok, then it's week 2 and we score 13. Then week 3 rolls around and we score 17. At what point do you start to become concerned that the O simply isn't scoring enough? Week 4 we score 20. Week 5 we put up 18. Nervous yet? The top 4 remaining teams in the playoffs I believe all scored in the mid-20s PPG. It matters. It's going to matter. If we don't want to get blasted out of the playoffs, again, we are going to need to find a way to put up points. We were 28th in the NFL in scoring TDs. 28th.
    I would say by week 17 I would start to worry. or week 1. or maybe week 5

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    • Mr.wizard
      Legend
      • May 2014
      • 6617

      #3
      The question for you should be when do you stop worrying.
      Last edited by Mr.wizard; 04-02-2023, 08:48 AM.

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      • passhappy
        Backup
        • Aug 2013
        • 271

        #4
        are we winning
        2020 MNF Exec Champion

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        • Joel Buchsbaum
          Legend
          • Jan 2021
          • 7549

          #5
          Originally posted by whisper
          OK, most everyone knows our O needs to put more points up in order for us to even pretend to contend, and that includes Tomlin, Canada and Rooney. So. it's week 1 and we only score 16. Ok, then it's week 2 and we score 13. Then week 3 rolls around and we score 17. At what point do you start to become concerned that the O simply isn't scoring enough? Week 4 we score 20. Week 5 we put up 18. Nervous yet? The top 4 remaining teams in the playoffs I believe all scored in the mid-20s PPG. It matters. It's going to matter. If we don't want to get blasted out of the playoffs, again, we are going to need to find a way to put up points. We were 28th in the NFL in scoring TDs. 28th.
          Your are correct. Hammer meet nail. We were lucky to beat Cincinnati and Las Vegas ( plus seven in turnovers ) . But the offense lead by QB Pickett and RB Harris could not score points. We are very fourtunate to lead the NFL in interceptions. You can not count on doing that again. Unless we have a hot draft in 2023 this team is in trouble.

          Pickett is not a rookie anymore and Trubisky is an awful plan B. Fans should be very nervous unless Pickett and Harris both show marked improvement. Harris is what he is at this point and I believe Pickett has limited upside.

          I would draft a RB and QB within the first four rounds IF the right one is on the board. And we need a tackle who can start in the draft too. Seriously we need to draft OFFENSE. The only offensive starter that scares teams is Pickens. That is it.
          Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game in seven years and counting. The earliest will be eight years. I guess that in Art Rooney's II, opinion is worth a 3 year extension.

          Our 2024 draft looks to be grade A. Our 2023 draft is an A. The roster is talented, but Mike Tomlin is still the head coach.

          *** Mike Tomlin is the best coach since the AFL- NFL merger that has not won a playoff game in 8 seasons or more. It's either him or Lewis. ***

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          • WindyCitySteel
            Legend
            • Nov 2011
            • 15456

            #6
            The Steelers were 2-6 with the worst offense in the league and critics from every corner on the play calling and scheme, and they doubled down on Canada.

            So it doesn't matter if we're worried, they're not. This is what they want.

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            • whisper
              Legend
              • Mar 2020
              • 9423

              #7
              Originally posted by WindyCitySteel
              The Steelers were 2-6 with the worst offense in the league and critics from every corner on the play calling and scheme, and they doubled down on Canada.

              So it doesn't matter if we're worried, they're not. This is what they want.
              I didn't say if it mattered or not, I merely asked if/when fans would be worried. It's not that hard to figure that out. What about you? Will you start to worry if by week 5, we are only putting up 19 PPG? Week 7? This team cannot expect to go "anywhere" putting up only 18 PPG, and that's what they averaged all last year.

              Tomlin verbally acknowledged he KNOWs this team will need to score more. What will ho do to change the play calling to allow it?

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              • whisper
                Legend
                • Mar 2020
                • 9423

                #8
                Originally posted by Joel Buchsbaum
                Your are correct. Hammer meet nail. We were lucky to beat Cincinnati and Las Vegas ( plus seven in turnovers ) . But the offense lead by QB Pickett and RB Harris could not score points. We are very fourtunate to lead the NFL in interceptions. You can not count on doing that again. Unless we have a hot draft in 2023 this team is in trouble.

                Pickett is not a rookie anymore and Trubisky is an awful plan B. Fans should be very nervous unless Pickett and Harris both show marked improvement. Harris is what he is at this point and I believe Pickett has limited upside.

                I would draft a RB and QB within the first four rounds IF the right one is on the board. And we need a tackle who can start in the draft too. Seriously we need to draft OFFENSE. The only offensive starter that scares teams is Pickens. That is it.
                Well, you and I both know there is not gonna be a drafting of a QB or a RB (not in early rounds, if at all). We have to pray that Pickens continues to develop, that DJ improves and that Austin can add some pay making to the team. Also, hope that Warren continues to get more touches. And on top of it all, that Pickett continues to develop and that the play calling improves to being an NFL caliber.

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                • Oviedo
                  Legend
                  • May 2008
                  • 23748

                  #9
                  Worry about everything without evidence...that way you always have something to complain about and can post non-stop speculative negative threads.
                  "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"

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                  • feltdizz
                    Legend
                    • May 2008
                    • 27131

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Oviedo
                    Worry about everything without evidence...that way you always have something to complain about and can post non-stop speculative negative threads.
                    Windy has already declared we have wasted 2 years of Pickett when he has only played 1 season.

                    Talk about bathing in negativity
                    Steelers 27
                    Rats 16

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                    • Eich
                      Legend
                      • Jul 2010
                      • 6921

                      #11
                      Glass half empty (or nearly empty) perspective:
                      Originally posted by WindyCitySteel
                      The Steelers were 2-6 with the worst offense in the league and critics from every corner on the play calling and scheme, and they doubled down on Canada.
                      Glass half full perspective:
                      The Steelers started 2-6 featuring a new QB after HOF Ben retired, an OL that hadn't gelled together and an injured Harris. Then a few games into the season, our rookie first round draft pick took over, after having almost no reps with the 1's in camp. Following the bye, nearly everything about the offense improved and we went 7-2.

                      I'm definitely not a Canada defender. I would have fired him. But continually taking the glass nearly empty perspective has got to be depressing. I think there's a lot to be excited for this coming season, despite Canada returning.

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                      • feltdizz
                        Legend
                        • May 2008
                        • 27131

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Eich
                        Glass half empty (or nearly empty) perspective:


                        Glass half full perspective:
                        The Steelers started 2-6 featuring a new QB after HOF Ben retired, an OL that hadn't gelled together and an injured Harris. Then a few games into the season, our rookie first round draft pick took over, after having almost no reps with the 1's in camp. Following the bye, nearly everything about the offense improved and we went 7-2.

                        I'm definitely not a Canada defender. I would have fired him. But continually taking the glass nearly empty perspective has got to be depressing. I think there's a lot to be excited for this coming season, despite Canada returning.
                        why would anyone use the second half of the season as their example for expectations for 2023/24? Clearly games played without Watt and with a less than healthy Najee is what we should expect next season.

                        My favorite is the person who said we only won because "Watt came back and Najee was healthy" like it was a cheat code. Newsflash, both are still under contract and the idea is to keep improving blocking and turnover ratio. Imagine how unfair it will be if they start 2023 healthy and play all season?
                        Steelers 27
                        Rats 16

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                        • whisper
                          Legend
                          • Mar 2020
                          • 9423

                          #13
                          Originally posted by feltdizz
                          Windy has already declared we have wasted 2 years of Pickett when he has only played 1 season.

                          Talk about bathing in negativity
                          IF it turns out that the combination of Canada and Tomlin is not capable of turning out a legit NFL offense, then Windy may be correct. If there is enough of an upgrade there, then maybe not. Tomlin has expressed he KNOWs he will need to call a different game, this time with a QB who is not a rookie. Now let's see if he can.

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                          • whisper
                            Legend
                            • Mar 2020
                            • 9423

                            #14
                            Originally posted by feltdizz
                            why would anyone use the second half of the season as their example for expectations for 2023/24? Clearly games played without Watt and with a less than healthy Najee is what we should expect next season.

                            My favorite is the person who said we only won because "Watt came back and Najee was healthy" like it was a cheat code. Newsflash, both are still under contract and the idea is to keep improving blocking and turnover ratio. Imagine how unfair it will be if they start 2023 healthy and play all season?
                            Injuries happen in the NFL, expecting them to all of a sudden stop is foolish. The year GB beat us in the Super Bowl, they had something like 10 starters out. And, once again, you are refusing to admit we beat a row of tomato cans to end the season, including ATL., Indy, Browns, NO., LV, Panthers and Ravens with their back up QB - not quite the murderers row of opponents. All of that and we still only managed 18 PPG for the season.18.1. Wow.

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                            • whisper
                              Legend
                              • Mar 2020
                              • 9423

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Eich
                              Glass half empty (or nearly empty) perspective:


                              Glass half full perspective:
                              The Steelers started 2-6 featuring a new QB after HOF Ben retired, an OL that hadn't gelled together and an injured Harris. Then a few games into the season, our rookie first round draft pick took over, after having almost no reps with the 1's in camp. Following the bye, nearly everything about the offense improved and we went 7-2.

                              I'm definitely not a Canada defender. I would have fired him. But continually taking the glass nearly empty perspective has got to be depressing. I think there's a lot to be excited for this coming season, despite Canada returning.
                              You are refusing to note we beat a row of tomato cans to end the season, including ATL., Indy, Browns, NO., LV, Panthers and Ravens with their back up QB - not quite the murderers row of opponents.

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