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  • NorthCoast
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    • Sep 2008
    • 26057

    Steelers 2022 Offensive Rankings

    Matt Canada's offense in Yr2.

    The Steelers 2022 offensive rankings;
    • 3rd - in % of run plays using zone blocking (86%) [they were 4th in effectiveness with this scheme in terms of EPA/play]
    • 4th - in % of dropbacks featuring no fake to a ball carrier (81%)
    • 5th - in EPA/play on late downs [24th in EPA/play on early downs]
    • 5th - in EPA/play against the blitz (their highest offensive EPA/play scenario)
    • 7th - in % of pass plays with a short dropback (64%)
    • 8th - in EPA/play when using 21 personnel (which they ran on 22% of plays)
    • 12th - % of plays using 11 personnel (69%)
    • 15th - in % of pass plays in shot gun
    • 28th - in % of pass plays against a blitz (21%)
    • 29th - in % of play action passing (19%)
  • WindyCitySteel
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    • Nov 2011
    • 15455

    #2
    They'll get better with play action once Ben retires.

    Is that all the categories they have?

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    • NJ-STEELER
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      • May 2008
      • 12563

      #3
      Originally posted by WindyCitySteel
      They'll get better with play action once Ben retires.

      Is that all the categories they have?
      theres this one idiot on scout ( and another board) who still says that about ben never using play action.

      a test and a half after he’s retired.

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      • Buzz
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        • Dec 2017
        • 8282

        #4
        Sure wish Ben would stop holding this offense back

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        • NorthCoast
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          • Sep 2008
          • 26057

          #5
          12th - in % of plays using 12 personnel (22%)

          I was surprised and a little disappointed the Steelers didn't run more 12 personnel with Muth and Heyward. Seems like that would be a pretty good combo for KP.

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          • NorthCoast
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            • Sep 2008
            • 26057

            #6
            Originally posted by Buzz
            Sure wish Ben would stop holding this offense back
            Total Offensive EPA:

            2021 = -109.66 (Steelers second worst in the last 7 years, only behind an MR/DH offense in 2019 = -160.1)
            2022 = -28.60

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            • feltdizz
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              • May 2008
              • 27131

              #7
              Originally posted by Buzz
              Sure wish Ben would stop holding this offense back
              you honestly think this offense was better in 2021?
              Steelers 27
              Rats 16

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              • Northern_Blitz
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                • Dec 2008
                • 23886

                #8
                Originally posted by WindyCitySteel
                They'll get better with play action once Ben retires.

                Is that all the categories they have?
                I think we will get better with PA after Ben. But people always want immediate change.

                My understanding is that college players don't play under C a lot. I think KP said that he wasn't as comfortable as he wasn't to be under center. This fits with the theme of us not forcing KP to do things that he wasn't comfortable with / not good at yet.

                Who knows if this is the correct strategy for development. Maybe pushing him to do things he wasn't good at in year 1 would have made him get better faster. And maybe doing that would have broken him.

                I don't think QB development is something that teams are generally good at...if it's possible at all once at the NFL level. I get that some guys like Allen make big changes. But since most guys don't make those changes, I wonder how close to the finished product QBs are when they come into the league. Maybe success in passing is mostly about whether or not they can adjust to the massive jump in speed of the game? And maybe that's more of a yes / no rather than a learned skill? Who knows.

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                • Northern_Blitz
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                  • Dec 2008
                  • 23886

                  #9
                  Any red zone data?

                  I feel like that's got to be one of our key places to improve this season if we want to become competitive while KP's on his rookie deal (and will likely be a big decider on whether he gets passed his rookie deal).

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                  • WindyCitySteel
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                    • Nov 2011
                    • 15455

                    #10
                    Originally posted by NorthCoast
                    Total Offensive EPA:

                    2021 = -109.66 (Steelers second worst in the last 7 years, only behind an MR/DH offense in 2019 = -160.1)
                    2022 = -28.60
                    Where does the 2022 number rank league wide?

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                    • Captain Lemming
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                      • Jun 2008
                      • 15974

                      #11
                      Originally posted by WindyCitySteel
                      Where does the 2022 number rank league wide?
                      Similar question here.
                      sigpic



                      In view of the fact that Mike Tomlin has matched Cowhers record I give him the designation:

                      TCFCLTC-
                      The Coach Formerly Considered Less Than Cowher

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                      • Northern_Blitz
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                        • Dec 2008
                        • 23886

                        #12
                        Originally posted by NorthCoast
                        Matt Canada's offense in Yr2.

                        The Steelers 2022 offensive rankings;
                        • 3rd - in % of run plays using zone blocking (86%) [they were 4th in effectiveness with this scheme in terms of EPA/play]
                        • 4th - in % of dropbacks featuring no fake to a ball carrier (81%)
                        • 5th - in EPA/play on late downs [24th in EPA/play on early downs]
                        • 5th - in EPA/play against the blitz (their highest offensive EPA/play scenario)
                        • 7th - in % of pass plays with a short dropback (64%)
                        • 8th - in EPA/play when using 21 personnel (which they ran on 22% of plays)
                        • 12th - % of plays using 11 personnel (69%)
                        • 15th - in % of pass plays in shot gun
                        • 28th - in % of pass plays against a blitz (21%)
                        • 29th - in % of play action passing (19%)
                        I think the thing that's the most encouraging about the Canada + KP combination (which I think is most only KP) is the late down success.

                        Seems to me like we got a lot better at this when we benched Mitch and put KP in.

                        Does anyone know the splits for 3rd down conversions with and without KP?

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                        • Northern_Blitz
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                          • Dec 2008
                          • 23886

                          #13
                          Originally posted by WindyCitySteel
                          Where does the 2022 number rank league wide?
                          I'm guessing that the average is ~ 0?

                          If that's true, considerable improvement from 2021 but still below average. Which I think agrees with watching the games.

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                          • steeler_fan_in_t.o.
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                            • May 2008
                            • 10069

                            #14
                            Originally posted by NorthCoast
                            12th - in % of plays using 12 personnel (22%)

                            I was surprised and a little disappointed the Steelers didn't run more 12 personnel with Muth and Heyward. Seems like that would be a pretty good combo for KP.
                            Wonder how that changed as the season went on. I think if you break the season down into 3 parts, you will see different trends. First part was the Trubisky starts, the the beginning of the Pickett starts, then later once he had a better grasp of the O. I still hate the way that the team transitioned him.
                            http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/k...to_Mike/to.jpg

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                            • feltdizz
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                              • May 2008
                              • 27131

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Northern_Blitz
                              I think we will get better with PA after Ben. But people always want immediate change.

                              My understanding is that college players don't play under C a lot. I think KP said that he wasn't as comfortable as he wasn't to be under center. This fits with the theme of us not forcing KP to do things that he wasn't comfortable with / not good at yet.

                              Who knows if this is the correct strategy for development. Maybe pushing him to do things he wasn't good at in year 1 would have made him get better faster. And maybe doing that would have broken him.

                              I don't think QB development is something that teams are generally good at...if it's possible at all once at the NFL level. I get that some guys like Allen make big changes. But since most guys don't make those changes, I wonder how close to the finished product QBs are when they come into the league. Maybe success in passing is mostly about whether or not they can adjust to the massive jump in speed of the game? And maybe that's more of a yes / no rather than a learned skill? Who knows.
                              it helps when your big change coincides with changing your WR corps.

                              Getting Stephon Diggs sure helps a QB's accuracy. I think if we draft or acquire another stud WR this year we will also see Pickett have a "drastic" change in year 2.
                              Steelers 27
                              Rats 16

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