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Thread: To Pickett or not to Pickett. That is the question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steelerphile View Post
    As with much of what Joel says, I think he reveals that he is an overly negative and pessimistic person. I don't agree with much of his assessment of Pickett. Just like his opinion of Cam Sutton was very far off. He stated Sutton was too small, too slow, not physical, showed no better IQ than James Pierre, who he assessed to be a much better player. Cam Sutton was just signed as the top FA Corner to a 33 mil contract and I say good for Sutton, he deserved it and I always liked him and wished he could have stayed with the Steelers. and James Pierre is just another guy, really.

    Joe harps on certain things arm strength, smarts and accuracy about Pickett. I think this is false on every point. Pickett has the arm strength. I think he has showed it. Not a rocket arm but a good arm. Joel just cannot see it but Picketts arm is every bit as good or better than Purdys, Bennett's or Haeg's, players that he seems to covet. He has an NFL arm just in terms of strength, Prescott, Cousin's. but not elite as in Allen or Mahommes.

    Too much emphasis is put into the wonderlic of 17. That is a trivia question, it is not that meaningful. The wonderlic is not a test you have to pass in order to make it to the NFL, like the bar exam or other tests that professionals have to be pass to be licensed for their profession. Therefore, I am sure people approach it differently. Some might prepare and really try to do well and others may take a much less intense approach. Ultimately it counts for nothing. Pickett demonstrated leadership in many respects. I think he definitely has smarts and is studious and hardworking about playing his position. They took his advice in plays in certain instances during the season and whether they audibled or not during this season means nothing in terms of his intelligence.

    Accuracy, I think that is all wrong also. There were cases when some passes seemed to get away. The cause, unsure, his grip? molsture of the gloves? I think he is an accurate passer.
    Money passes in clutch game winning situations to Harris, Pickens. He has the intangibles. So, it may take a few years but Joel will be proven as wrong about Pickett as he was about Sutton even if never admits defeat.
    I agree with most of what you said, except the part about a Wonderlic of 17. That's like having an IQ in the 80s and pretty much proves Pickett is an idiot, which is not a good indicator going forward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moonie View Post
    I agree with most of what you said, except the part about a Wonderlic of 17. That's like having an IQ in the 80s and pretty much proves Pickett is an idiot, which is not a good indicator going forward.
    Well I was being kind. Most teams don't like to draft a QB that scores under 21. They say this according to what I read. I hope Pickett proves me wrong and is a good NFL starting Quarterback.
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    Malik willis scored a 32.

    its just a test folks.
    I lost a bet about Najee gaining 1300 yards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joel Buchsbaum View Post
    Well I was being kind. Most teams don't like to draft a QB that scores under 21. They say this according to what I read. I hope Pickett proves me wrong and is a good NFL starting Quarterback.
    Matt Corral scored a 15, isnt that the guy you liked? The Wonderlic is irrelevant when it comes to predicting on field success, it has just become a way to disparage players. Also I thought the NFL was looking at eliminating the test?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moonie View Post
    I agree with most of what you said, except the part about a Wonderlic of 17. That's like having an IQ in the 80s and pretty much proves Pickett is an idiot, which is not a good indicator going forward.
    If I were to make a guess about how much energy Pickett put into taking the test, I would say probably not a lot. Maybe he didn't try or was distracted. Just watching him, and listening to him, I know he has smarts. If someone said hey Kenny let's have a do over on the Wonderlic, because the results are being used against you. If he studied a little, and went into the room motivated, I am sure he could at least double that 17.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.wizard View Post
    Matt Corral scored a 15, isnt that the guy you liked? The Wonderlic is irrelevant when it comes to predicting on field success, it has just become a way to disparage players. Also I thought the NFL was looking at eliminating the test?
    Let's hope not, my starting QB needs to know which train arrives in Baltimore first...

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    Quote Originally Posted by WindyCitySteel View Post
    Let's hope not, my starting QB needs to know which train arrives in Baltimore first...
    That is an easy question. Its not cheap and called the Lamar Jackson express. Though it did not show up for the 2023 playoffs and is just 1-3 with ZERO AFC championships games for the destination.
    Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game in seven years and counting. The earliest will be eight years. Art Rooney II, get a new head coach.

    Our 2024 draft is grade A.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steelerphile View Post
    If I were to make a guess about how much energy Pickett put into taking the test, I would say probably not a lot. Maybe he didn't try or was distracted. Just watching him, and listening to him, I know he has smarts. If someone said hey Kenny let's have a do over on the Wonderlic, because the results are being used against you. If he studied a little, and went into the room motivated, I am sure he could at least double that 17.
    What makes you think he can't focus for 12 minutes? I once took the test ( the company I was with required it ) and scored upper green or a 38. Now I'm not a Harvard graduate mind you, just a normal college grad. A regular person should score at least a 21. The military , the government and various private corporations require the test.

    I doubt Pickett can double his score. No way. Are you saying he can't focus for 12 minutes to take and commit enough focus / metal energy on the test? He is a lower than normal IQ person and IMO will have trouble learning a playbook. Pat Freirmuth opened his mouth and said Pickett and couldn't call audibles which is amazing it you think about it. Give your qb 3 or 4 plays to chage if needed. He said this not realizing he is calling Pickett dim witted. But again he scored a 17! Take the test yourself there are sample questions on line. There is a reason why the NFL does not like to draft QB's that score below a 21.

    Man up, we drafted a low iq, with tiny hands, that is alarmingly prone to concussions. He passed for very few yards and lead the offense to a low amount of points. I say he doesn't have a good arm either but such a point is difficult to prove on the web and without a radar gun. How many players that fit this description can you name in the NFL that were good? Now he might be turn out to be very good in the NFL! And then again he will likely not. Make an adduced guess if you must. And please do reply to my questions asked to you.

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    Last edited by Joel Buchsbaum; 03-19-2023 at 02:30 PM.
    Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game in seven years and counting. The earliest will be eight years. Art Rooney II, get a new head coach.

    Our 2024 draft is grade A.

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    Quote Originally Posted by feltdizz View Post
    Malik willis scored a 32.

    its just a test folks.
    If Joel were consistent with his application of Wonderlic scores to player aptitude, he should be saying Willis is going to be good. But that is certainly not the case with Willis and I am sure he thinks Corral still has a lot of potential with his Wonderlic of 15.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.wizard View Post
    Matt Corral scored a 15, isnt that the guy you liked? The Wonderlic is irrelevant when it comes to predicting on field success, it has just become a way to disparage players. Also I thought the NFL was looking at eliminating the test?

    I can't remember where I read it last year, but someone wrote that most players don't take the Wonderlic seriously and try to do it as fast as possible. Attitude is it is irrelevant
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