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    Quote Originally Posted by Steel Maniac View Post
    Ravens need to have a "suck" guartantee to protect themselves but hey! To each his own. lol

    Seriously thou, ...He obviously didn't like that structure. Because Watson wasn't structured like that.
    Ya because he wants to find another sucker to give him all fully guaranteed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crushedspirit View Post
    Ya because he wants to find another sucker to give him all fully guaranteed.
    Nope. Only Mahomes and Burrows are actually worth that. And if Trevor Lawrence takes another step, he might be in that class as well. They can all pass.
    Last edited by Steel Maniac; 03-14-2023 at 11:09 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steel Maniac View Post
    link please.
    gloat gloat gloat
    Steel Maniac's Time-Based Prediction: Lamar Jackson will be a bust and total flop in the NFL.

    What Actually Happened: Lamar Jackson became the youngest two-time NFL MVP winner ever.

    Gloat gloat gloat


    Boom........Knuckle up. Punk.

    My IT guy...
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    Owners trying to limit the damage from Cleveland's debacle... poor LJ.

    The thing the writeup fails to understand is that without Cleveland's stupid contract no way LJ gets anywhere close to what he wants.


    NFL Owners Are Making an Example of Lamar Jackson
    Opinion by Jemele Hill • 1h ago
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    Quarterback thirst is a perennial issue in the NFL—where most teams struggle to fill football’s marquee position—but that isn’t helping the former league MVP Lamar Jackson.

    Jackson’s ongoing contract dispute with the Baltimore Ravens has morphed into a good, old-fashioned power struggle that pits players’ interests against the hypocrisy and stubbornness of NFL owners, who are desperate to reset the market now that quarterbacks are successfully using their leverage to attain precedent-setting contracts. Historically, most NFL players’ contracts have been partly contingent upon their staying healthy and maintaining their skills, but quarterbacks in particular have been seeking and receiving fully guaranteed contracts.

    Owners seem to be using Jackson to show their resolve. The Ravens and Jackson have been trying to negotiate a long-term contract extension for two years. Earlier this month, the Ravens placed a nonexclusive franchise tag on Jackson, giving him the right to negotiate with other teams, and themselves the right to match any offer. If Jackson gets another offer that Baltimore doesn’t match, his new team will have to compensate the Ravens with two first-round draft picks. The Ravens have until July 17 to sign Jackson to a long-term deal, but if that doesn’t happen, Jackson will earn $32.4 million next season. That number may sound good, but had the Ravens given Jackson the exclusive franchise tag, Jackson’s salary would have been about $45 million.

    On the surface, the Ravens’ strategy is risky: Another team could sign their franchise quarterback. But the second-youngest MVP in NFL history doesn’t seem to be garnering much interest from other NFL teams. It’s perplexing—even to other NFL players. As the New Orleans Saints safety Tyrann Mathieu recently asked on Twitter, “When is the last time a league MVP was treated so disrespectfully??”

    A number of factors complicate the story. One is Jackson’s health history. Jackson has missed 10 regular-season games over the past two seasons because of ankle and knee injuries. One of the things that makes Jackson a special player is that he’s dangerously elusive and one of the best athletes in the league; he holds NFL records for rushing yardage by a quarterback. But his style of play also leaves him vulnerable to injuries.

    Another factor is that Jackson doesn’t have an agent, and that seems to bother a lot of people. If Jackson were to get what he’s worth without traditional representation, that would be a pretty big glitch in the matrix.

    But the biggest issue may be that NFL team owners see an opportunity to regain a semblance of control over quarterbacks’ escalating salaries. The top 10 NFL quarterbacks entering the 2022 season were earning at least $35 million a year, and those salaries and the amount of guaranteed money will continue to rise, because a good quarterback is essential for any team that wants to seriously compete for a championship—or even just put fans in the seats. Perfect example: The Carolina Panthers just sent the Chicago Bears four draft picks as part of a blockbuster trade that gives the Panthers the No. 1 overall pick in this year’s draft—which Carolina is expected to use on a quarterback. (The Panthers could have mortgaged less of their future by pursuing Jackson.)

    Last year, the Cleveland Browns signed the former Houston Texans quarterback Deshaun Watson to a $230 million contract that included the most guaranteed money for a player in league history. Watson received this massive deal despite having served an 11-game suspension after more than two dozen women accused him of sexual misconduct during massage treatments. Watson, who has proclaimed his innocence, settled civil lawsuits with more than 20 of his accusers.

    The optics of Watson’s highly lucrative deal were terrible. But what reportedly got other owners seething was that Cleveland had unwittingly created a new quarterback-compensation standard that included fully guaranteed contracts. In fact, Baltimore owner Steve Bisciotti all but admitted at the NFL owners meeting last year that the Browns had put him at a disadvantage in contract talks with Jackson.

    “It’s like, damn, I wish they hadn’t guaranteed the whole contract. I don’t know that [Watson] should’ve been the first guy to get a fully guaranteed contract,” Bisciotti told reporters. “To me, that’s something that is groundbreaking, and it’ll make negotiations harder with others.”

    I’m accusing NFL owners not of collusion against Jackson but of a ruthless awareness of their shared interest in limiting his leverage. The Ravens were likely willing to let Jackson test the market because they knew that other owners’ pettiness would give them the advantage they needed. Almost as soon as Jackson became a free agent, so to speak, journalists who cover professional football began leaking which teams weren’t interested in Jackson. It felt as if the owners were sending the message that they weren’t going to let another deal like Watson’s happen on their watch.

    Considering that most teams have been willing to do whatever it takes to land a great quarterback, the owners seem to be digging into a lost cause. A multiyear contract worth more than $100 million is now the floor for a starting quarterback in today’s NFL. The promising young quarterbacks Jalen Hurts of the Philadelphia Eagles, Joe Burrow of the Cincinnati Bengals, and Justin Herbert of the Los Angeles Chargers all are eligible for contract extensions. Last week, the New York Giants signed the quarterback Daniel Jones to a four-year, $160 million deal that included $82 million in guaranteed pay. Jones is 21–31–1 as a starter—so imagine the rewards awaiting Burrow and Hurts, who have recently appeared in a Super Bowl, and Herbert, the former offensive rookie of the year and a 2021 Pro Bowler. Of course, some NFL players took note that Jones received a new contract before the more experienced and decorated Jackson. The Chicago Bears safety Jaquan Brisker tweeted, “MVP lol … other Bruh got paid today and is trash.”

    NFL players should hope Jackson does receive a contract that rivals Watson’s—though most league insiders believe that is highly unlikely—because they benefit from his disruption of the way the NFL usually operates.

    Making Jackson pay for a NFL owner’s lack of discipline is not just unfair; it’s wildly hypocritical. It’s not Jackson’s fault that the Browns prioritized winning over good character. Cleveland was the only team willing to give Watson that much guaranteed money, but multiple teams still wanted Watson—which says a lot about what owners are willing to excuse in order to win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crushedspirit View Post
    Here's some of the numbers of what Lamar turned down. It's come from a few sources now so maybe there's some validity to them.

    FULLY guaranteed at signing, $133 million
    Injury guarantees, $175 million
    Total guarantees, $200 million

    That's more than Murray and Wilson.
    the way they play around with the wording for guaranteed makes it hard to decipher what the true numbers are for each player.
    I lost a bet about Najee gaining 1300 yards.

    "Our head coach has failed to win a playoff game for seven years in a row. His game day strategy, culture of divas, in game decisions, clock management, player evaluation, hires, and affinity with sub par starters at RB, P, and OL are holding the Steelers back. That standard remains the standard"



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    Not sure Cleveland’s contract is truly to blame. Even if it wasn’t fully guaranteed but was a ridiculous number LJ would want more than that and I think Baltimore would still balk.

    I think representing himself probably hurts the most because he gets to see how the sausage is made and the franchise can’t be as blunt as they would with an agent.
    I lost a bet about Najee gaining 1300 yards.

    "Our head coach has failed to win a playoff game for seven years in a row. His game day strategy, culture of divas, in game decisions, clock management, player evaluation, hires, and affinity with sub par starters at RB, P, and OL are holding the Steelers back. That standard remains the standard"



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    IMO if you haven't won a ring and haven't finished on the field for the past two seasons and you don't sign for $133M guaranteed, then you have an over-inflated ego judging your worth.

    Given what has transpired to this point, why would the RATs even want to play him under the franchise tag? He's going to play not-to-get-hurt.

    He's definitely done himself a disservice by not having an agent. And his ego is bigger than his passing skills.

    There are articles everywhere talking about something sinister that the league is "doing to him". What are they talking about?!! No team thinks he's worth a fully guaranteed contract AND giving up picks for him. It's as simple as that. And as one team said, why should they do the RATs dirty work of negotiating with him, then the RATs would likely just match the offer.

    LJ is fool IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eich View Post
    IMO if you haven't won a ring and haven't finished on the field for the past two seasons and you don't sign for $133M guaranteed, then you have an over-inflated ego judging your worth.

    Given what has transpired to this point, why would the RATs even want to play him under the franchise tag? He's going to play not-to-get-hurt.

    He's definitely done himself a disservice by not having an agent. And his ego is bigger than his passing skills.

    There are articles everywhere talking about something sinister that the league is "doing to him". What are they talking about?!! No team thinks he's worth a fully guaranteed contract AND giving up picks for him. It's as simple as that. And as one team said, why should they do the RATs dirty work of negotiating with him, then the RATs would likely just match the offer.

    LJ is fool IMO.
    it’s coming out that the guaranteed money was more then the 133m offered last year.

    got a feeling the rats wouldn’t mind him signing with another team and getting two first rounders
    Why not give him the exclusive tag ($45m) as a sign of good faith and negotiate a long term deal from there?
    that’s a lot closer to the average amount per year he is seeking.

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    it’s still March. If LJ doesn’t get a deal this cycle them yes, he overplayed his hand.
    I lost a bet about Najee gaining 1300 yards.

    "Our head coach has failed to win a playoff game for seven years in a row. His game day strategy, culture of divas, in game decisions, clock management, player evaluation, hires, and affinity with sub par starters at RB, P, and OL are holding the Steelers back. That standard remains the standard"



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    Somebody will pay a lot for him

    might not be the Rats, might not be quite what he initially asked for, but somebody is going to pay out the wazoo for this dude

    count on it

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