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  • Joel Buchsbaum
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    • Jan 2021
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    Prospect Jake Haener

    Jake Haener

    This prospect is interesting. He's a bit small, but he shows a live and accurate arm, good release, down the field accuracy, can throw on the run, can be used to run the ball a little. He is no statute in the pocket. But above all else he is very accurate ( 72 % ) deliver strikes on crossing routes giving his man easy to catch well placed balls at all areas of the field. A smart QB who reads defenses well.

    During senior bowl week he shined at practices, and won MVP of the game, proving his value. Hmmm... He really proved a lot.

    His season stats show 20 TD's and only 3 Ints, playing behind a line that isn't great and probably has zero guys who will be drafted. He played in the 10 games this year, throwing for 300+ yards six times and averaging 8.3 yard per attempt. This is no game manager and I think I will hear his name called in round three or four. If he is there in round four at our pick we should take him.


    Last edited by Joel Buchsbaum; 02-22-2023, 10:52 AM.
    Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game in seven years and counting. The earliest will be eight years. I guess that in Art Rooney's II, opinion is worth a 3 year extension.

    Our 2024 draft looks to be grade A. Our 2023 draft is an A. The roster is talented, but Mike Tomlin is still the head coach.

    *** Mike Tomlin is the best coach since the AFL- NFL merger that has not won a playoff game in 8 seasons or more. It's either him or Lewis. ***
  • Eich
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    • Jul 2010
    • 6921

    #2
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    We need another QB. But I'll be surprised if we get one in the draft.

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    • Iron City Inc.
      Hall of Famer
      • Jun 2013
      • 3185

      #3
      He's invited to the combine. I really like to see these guys spin it in that setting. Qb's as I've always said are the toughest for me to evaluate.
      Too on 3/24 Fresno St has their pro day.
      We'll get a better picture after those performances.

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      • Northern_Blitz
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        • Dec 2008
        • 23883

        #4
        Originally posted by Joel Buchsbaum
        Jake Haener

        This prospect is interesting. He's a bit small, but he shows a live and accurate arm, good release, down the field accuracy, can throw on the run, can be used to run the ball a little. He is no statute in the pocket. But above all else he is very accurate ( 72 % ) deliver strikes on crossing routes giving his man easy to catch well placed balls at all areas of the field. A smart QB who reads defenses well.

        During senior bowl week he shined at practices, and won MVP of the game, proving his value. Hmmm... He really proved a lot.

        His season stats show 20 TD's and only 3 Ints, playing behind a line that isn't great and probably has zero guys who will be drafted. He played in the 10 games this year, throwing for 300+ yards six times and averaging 8.3 yard per attempt. This is no game manager and I think I will hear his name called in round three or four. If he is there in round four at our pick we should take him.


        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lHKebr0czI
        I really, really hope we don't pick a QB in the 3rd or 4th. We don't need to pass on someone who can contribute for another Dobbs or Mason that adds very little value to the team. Especially if we keep Mitch (like Rooney suggests).

        I expect that they will use one of the 7th rounders on a "camp arm" type guy like Oladokun (sp) last year. Maybe that's less of a waste this year because we'll have to replace Mitch at least at the end of next season.

        But there are always scrap heap QBs around to pick up for fairly cheap. I think that's what we should be doing for at least the 3rd QB (and the QB4 at camp). I hope we don't waste more mid-round picks on guys who are never going to play...or guys who only play when you know that your season is already over.

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        • Joel Buchsbaum
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          • Jan 2021
          • 7547

          #5
          Originally posted by Iron City Inc.
          He's invited to the combine. I really like to see these guys spin it in that setting. Qb's as I've always said are the toughest for me to evaluate.
          Too on 3/24 Fresno St has their pro day.
          We'll get a better picture after those performances.


          With the ball in their hands on every play, they are not that tough to evaluate, but you have to know what to look for.

          In college he has shown a better arm, better accuracy, a better understanding if the offense, and a higher QB IQ, than Kenny Pickett. He isn't quite as mobile but he has pocket mobility and the ability to make plays on the run. They say people respond to him. I do not think Pickett is the answer, and the Steelers would be wise to spend a 3rd or 4th round pick on such a QB. Unless I miss my guess he will skyrocket up the internet draft boards.

          Rating: 79.5 Rank: #11 Forty: 4.82 Jake Haener is a classic overachiever as a signal caller who lacks the prototypical size for the position standing at just 6-1, weighing in at 200lbs (with...
          Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game in seven years and counting. The earliest will be eight years. I guess that in Art Rooney's II, opinion is worth a 3 year extension.

          Our 2024 draft looks to be grade A. Our 2023 draft is an A. The roster is talented, but Mike Tomlin is still the head coach.

          *** Mike Tomlin is the best coach since the AFL- NFL merger that has not won a playoff game in 8 seasons or more. It's either him or Lewis. ***

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          • Joel Buchsbaum
            Legend
            • Jan 2021
            • 7547

            #6
            Originally posted by Northern_Blitz
            I really, really hope we don't pick a QB in the 3rd or 4th. We don't need to pass on someone who can contribute for another Dobbs or Mason that adds very little value to the team. Especially if we keep Mitch (like Rooney suggests).

            I expect that they will use one of the 7th rounders on a "camp arm" type guy like Oladokun (sp) last year. Maybe that's less of a waste this year because we'll have to replace Mitch at least at the end of next season.

            But there are always scrap heap QBs around to pick up for fairly cheap. I think that's what we should be doing for at least the 3rd QB (and the QB4 at camp). I hope we don't waste more mid-round picks on guys who are never going to play...or guys who only play when you know that your season is already over.
            I would not spend a pick on Dobbs or Rudolph either. This guy can be better than what we have. Last year the Steelers had a 4th round grade on Brock Purdy. Oops! Third or fourth round at most positions are not starters. In this case I've seen enough to indicate he can be better than Pickett. It's worth the gamble when you don't have a franchise QB. If he does well at the combine / pro day he has shined all you can as a quarterback.

            Again that senior bowl week play and practice are key. Two year ago there were concerns about Pickett's lack of arm strength at the senior bowl. He did show me anything besides being a grade C level game manager who completes a lot of easy passed and lives off the defense producing turnovers. We lead the NFL in getting interceptions.

            I get it, he's small. So was Drew Brees and he could pass. We should cut Trubisky and save 8 million on the cap. Draft a qb and pick up a veteran for dirt cheap. That what I would do. Pickett got dinged up a too much and you have to worry about him getting concussions.
            Last edited by Joel Buchsbaum; 02-22-2023, 11:10 AM.
            Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game in seven years and counting. The earliest will be eight years. I guess that in Art Rooney's II, opinion is worth a 3 year extension.

            Our 2024 draft looks to be grade A. Our 2023 draft is an A. The roster is talented, but Mike Tomlin is still the head coach.

            *** Mike Tomlin is the best coach since the AFL- NFL merger that has not won a playoff game in 8 seasons or more. It's either him or Lewis. ***

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            • Steel Maniac
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              • Apr 2017
              • 19472

              #7
              Originally posted by Joel Buchsbaum
              I would not spend a pick on Dobbs or Rudolph either. This guy can be better than what we have. Last year the Steelers had a 4th round grade on Brock Purdy. Oops! Third or fourth round at most positions are not starters. In this case I've seen enough to indicate he can be better than Pickett. It's worth the gamble when you don't have a franchise QB. If he does well at the combine / pro day he has shined all you can as a quarterback.

              Again that senior bowl week play and practice are key. Two year ago there were concerns about Pickett's lack of arm strength at the senior bowl. He did show me anything besides being a grade C level game manager who completes a lot of easy passed and lives off the defense producing turnovers. We lead the NFL in getting interceptions.

              I get it, he's small. So was Drew Brees and he could pass. We should cut Trubisky and save 8 million on the cap. Draft a qb and pick up a veteran for dirt cheap. That what I would do. Pickett got dinged up a too much and you have to worry about him getting concussions.
              The saving money part , I like. But didn't Art already say Trubisky is going to be here?

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              • hawaiiansteel
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                • May 2008
                • 35216

                #8
                Originally posted by Northern_Blitz
                I really, really hope we don't pick a QB in the 3rd or 4th.
                so now Joel wants to use a first round pick on a RB and a third rounder on a QB to replace our last two 1st round selections.

                sure is a good thing we don't have any other needs.

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                • Captain Lemming
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                  • Jun 2008
                  • 15974

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Joel Buchsbaum
                  Jake Haener

                  This prospect is interesting. He's a bit small, but he shows a live and accurate arm, good release, down the field accuracy, can throw on the run, can be used to run the ball a little. He is no statute in the pocket. But above all else he is very accurate ( 72 % ) deliver strikes on crossing routes giving his man easy to catch well placed balls at all areas of the field. A smart QB who reads defenses well.

                  During senior bowl week he shined at practices, and won MVP of the game, proving his value. Hmmm... He really proved a lot.

                  His season stats show 20 TD's and only 3 Ints, playing behind a line that isn't great and probably has zero guys who will be drafted. He played in the 10 games this year, throwing for 300+ yards six times and averaging 8.3 yard per attempt. This is no game manager and I think I will hear his name called in round three or four. If he is there in round four at our pick we should take him.


                  As a 3rd no, but I as a 4th? Sure if the team really likes him.
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                  • Prowler
                    Pro Bowler
                    • Apr 2010
                    • 1820

                    #10
                    I'm not saying Haener doesn't have some talent because he is an efficient passer, has a good arm and he has some football smarts. I'm afraid he'd be a statue behind our OL. Haener will never be a threat to run and he's very limited in moving around the pocket. He's much too small for a being a pocket passing QB.

                    It's also hard to evaluate QB talent in the Mountain West because the conference has so many bad defenses and a few of the worst in college football. Although the good news for Haener is I thought Josh Allen sucked each time he played Boise State. I thought he'd be the biggest draft bust. I was 100% wrong about Allen and I could be wrong about Haener too.

                    My preferred option is for the Steelers to pick up a veteran QB as a backup instead of trying to develop a rookie for the role.








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                    • Joel Buchsbaum
                      Legend
                      • Jan 2021
                      • 7547

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Prowler
                      I'm not saying Haener doesn't have some talent because he is an efficient passer, has a good arm and he has some football smarts. I'm afraid he'd be a statue behind our OL. Haener will never be a threat to run and he's very limited in moving around the pocket. He's much too small for a being a pocket passing QB.

                      It's also hard to evaluate QB talent in the Mountain West because the conference has so many bad defenses and a few of the worst in college football. Although the good news for Haener is I thought Josh Allen sucked each time he played Boise State. I thought he'd be the biggest draft bust. I was 100% wrong about Allen and I could be wrong about Haener too.

                      My preferred option is for the Steelers to pick up a veteran QB as a backup instead of trying to develop a rookie for the role.
                      This is true about the Mountain West which is why the Senior Bowl week of practices and game MVP which will feature at least 40 players drafted is key. He is a high yardage passer who threw very few inceptions in ( 3 ) last year and only fumbled once last year. Intriguing. He was not along for the ride at QB like other from QB's ranked form teams were. But he clearly balled. Was Drew Brees to short to be a pocket passer and didn't he have a so-so arm? Well? He can run a bit and has the key pocket mobility. And like I said he played with a so - so OL. We need to upgrade the talent at the QB spot and picking a player like this is round three or four make sense. That and getting a better OC.
                      Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game in seven years and counting. The earliest will be eight years. I guess that in Art Rooney's II, opinion is worth a 3 year extension.

                      Our 2024 draft looks to be grade A. Our 2023 draft is an A. The roster is talented, but Mike Tomlin is still the head coach.

                      *** Mike Tomlin is the best coach since the AFL- NFL merger that has not won a playoff game in 8 seasons or more. It's either him or Lewis. ***

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                      • Northern_Blitz
                        Legend
                        • Dec 2008
                        • 23883

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Joel Buchsbaum
                        I would not spend a pick on Dobbs or Rudolph either. This guy can be better than what we have. Last year the Steelers had a 4th round grade on Brock Purdy. Oops! Third or fourth round at most positions are not starters. In this case I've seen enough to indicate he can be better than Pickett. It's worth the gamble when you don't have a franchise QB. If he does well at the combine / pro day he has shined all you can as a quarterback.

                        Again that senior bowl week play and practice are key. Two year ago there were concerns about Pickett's lack of arm strength at the senior bowl. He did show me anything besides being a grade C level game manager who completes a lot of easy passed and lives off the defense producing turnovers. We lead the NFL in getting interceptions.

                        I get it, he's small. So was Drew Brees and he could pass. We should cut Trubisky and save 8 million on the cap. Draft a qb and pick up a veteran for dirt cheap. That what I would do. Pickett got dinged up a too much and you have to worry about him getting concussions.
                        I don't think having that rating on Purdy is wrong.

                        I think he just became the flavor of the month in a very good system surrounded by great players.

                        He did well with the opportunity he had. But Duck and Mason looked good in small stretches too. I'll believe that Purdy is the real deal if / when he does it over a long period of time. My guess is that he's far more likely to become Peyton Hillis than Tom Brady.

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                        • Ghost
                          Legend
                          • May 2008
                          • 6231

                          #13
                          It would be disastrous to take this guy in the 3rd. Here are few evaluations on him currently:

                          Haener is never going to be looked at as a long-term NFL starter, but still seems like an ideal backup - who'll not lose a game for you while in reserve duty. Expect Haener to be viewed as a late-round prospect in the 2023 NFL draft.

                          High-end backup quarterback who can be a low-level NFL starter

                          Fourth-Round Value

                          a likely candidate to be drafted in the late rounds of the 2023 NFL Draft.

                          The website NFL Draft Buzz currently has Haener listed as a projected sixth rounder.
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                          • Shawn
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                            • Mar 2008
                            • 15131

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Iron City Inc.
                            He's invited to the combine. I really like to see these guys spin it in that setting. Qb's as I've always said are the toughest for me to evaluate.
                            Too on 3/24 Fresno St has their pro day.
                            We'll get a better picture after those performances.
                            . I think they are toughest for us all.
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                            • Djfan
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                              • May 2008
                              • 5184

                              #15
                              He has good ball placement, it seems.
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