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    STILL paying Tuitt $4.7 million in dead $

    That's right, THIS year we are STILL paying $4.7 million in dead $ for Tuitt. Still like the way this team runs things? Keep kicking that can down the road. That's just great that we are still paying for him. Way to go.

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    The Eagles have five times the dead money next year and are in the Super Bowl.

    https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/philadelphia-eagles

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    Quote Originally Posted by WindyCitySteel View Post
    The Eagles have five times the dead money next year and are in the Super Bowl.

    https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/philadelphia-eagles
    Part of the reason the Rams sucked this year is that they had a massive amount of "unlikely to be earned bonuses" from their SB year that hit their cap this year.

    That's part of the game.

    Re: Tuitt. Another way you can think about this is that we're rolling about $5M of unused cap space from this year into next year.

    So if someone prefers, they can pretend that we took the full cap hit the past season and are rolling over $0. When I learned about this, I got a little less apprehensive about restructures because in a sense we use them to have flexibility and I think we usually roll $5M or more over.

    Edited to add: This is semantic, but we aren't "paying" Tuitt anything. The cap hit is from bonuses that were paid in the past that didn't hit the cap because they were spread out over multiple years. We are taking that $4.5M cap hit next season because teams have the option to split the cap hit over two years (pre June 1 = all hit in current year, post June 1 = have in the current year, half in the following year).
    Last edited by Northern_Blitz; 02-05-2023 at 08:16 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northern_Blitz View Post
    Part of the reason the Rams sucked this year is that they had a massive amount of "unlikely to be earned bonuses" from their SB year that hit their cap this year.

    That's part of the game.

    Re: Tuitt. Another way you can think about this is that we're rolling about $5M of unused cap space from this year into next year.

    So if someone prefers, they can pretend that we took the full cap hit the past season and are rolling over $0. When I learned about this, I got a little less apprehensive about restructures because in a sense we use them to have flexibility and I think we usually roll $5M or more over.

    Edited to add: This is semantic, but we aren't "paying" Tuitt anything. The cap hit is from bonuses that were paid in the past that didn't hit the cap because they were spread out over multiple years. We are taking that $4.5M cap hit next season because teams have the option to split the cap hit over two years (pre June 1 = all hit in current year, post June 1 = have in the current year, half in the following year).
    This just in: If you're winning rings, a lot is acceptable. When you're a fledgling .500 or 1 game above, a lot less is acceptable. Who doesn't know this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by whisper View Post
    This just in: If you're winning rings, a lot is acceptable. When you're a fledgling .500 or 1 game above, a lot less is acceptable. Who doesn't know this?
    Who doesn't know that NFL teams have to deal with dead money for different reasons at some point?

    Obviously you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BURGH86STEEL View Post
    Who doesn't know that NFL teams have to deal with dead money for different reasons at some point?

    Obviously you.
    Yep... just a few teams dealing with some serious pain this season;

    2023 NFL Cap Space, By Team
    February 2nd, 2023 at 1:36pm CST by Sam Robinson
    Earlier this week, the NFL revealed its 2023 salary cap. Teams can now budget for their offseasons, knowing a $224.8MM ceiling is in place. This year’s nonexclusive franchise and transition tag numbers also emerged, giving teams more clarity on those fronts as well. With that in mind, here is where every team stands in terms of cap space:

    Chicago Bears: $90.91MM
    Atlanta Falcons: $56.42MM
    New York Giants: $44.28MM
    Houston Texans: $37.56MM
    Cincinnati Bengals: $35.55MM
    New England Patriots: $32.71MM
    Seattle Seahawks: $31.04MM
    Baltimore Ravens: $26.87MM
    Las Vegas Raiders: $19.78MM
    Arizona Cardinals: $14.47MM
    Kansas City Chiefs: $13.96MM
    Detroit Lions: $13.83MM
    Indianapolis Colts: $12.59MM
    Denver Broncos: $9.07MM
    San Francisco 49ers: $8.28MM
    Washington Commanders: $8.24MM
    Philadelphia Eagles: $4.24MM
    Pittsburgh Steelers: $1.03MM
    New York Jets: $1.31MM over the cap
    Dallas Cowboys: $7.18MM over
    Carolina Panthers: $8.94MM over
    Los Angeles Rams: $14.19MM over
    Cleveland Browns: $14.64MM over
    Miami Dolphins: $16.45MM over
    Green Bay Packers: $16.48MM over
    Buffalo Bills: $17.88MM over
    Los Angeles Chargers: $20.38MM over
    Jacksonville Jaguars: $22.35MM over
    Minnesota Vikings: $23.43MM over
    Tennessee Titans: $23.67MM over
    Tampa Bay Buccaneers: $55.03MM over
    New Orleans Saints: $60.47MM over


    These figures (courtesy of OverTheCap) will change dramatically in the coming weeks, but this is where each team stands ahead of Super Bowl LVII. After that point, cap-casualty cuts can begin taking place. Restructures, extensions and trades will commence as well, with the Saints of recent years doing well to prove there are a few roads to cap compliance.

    While New Orleans is in its usual February place, the team actually was further over the 2021 and ’22 caps at this point on the NFL calendar.
    Using void years to load up its roster during Tom Brady‘s three-year stay, Tampa Bay has seen much of that bill come due. If Brady does not re-sign a procedural deal, which would allow for the Buccaneers to spread out his dead money, the team will be hit with a $35.1MM dead-cap charge this year.

    The Browns led the league by a wide margin in cap carryover from 2022, Field Yates of ESPN.com tweets. Cleveland carried over $27.6MM in cap space. The Browns paced the league in cap space throughout the 2022 season, bracing for the Deshaun Watson contract’s spike. As of now, Watson’s cap figure will balloon from $9.4MM to $54.9MM. No NFL player has ever played a season on a cap number higher than $45MM.

    The Panthers, Broncos, Bears and Raiders rounded out the top five in carryover dollars, ranging from $10.8MM to $6.7MM. Chicago ate considerable dead money via the Khalil Mack and Robert Quinn trades. The rebuilding team is still paying most of Quinn’s salary, doing so in order to secure a better draft pick from the Eagles. The Bears will have quite the opportunity to bolster their roster in Ryan Poles‘ second year in charge, leading the league by a massive margin and holding the No. 1 overall pick. The Falcons still have $12MM-plus in Deion Jones dead money on their 2023 payroll, but the team is rid of Matt Ryan‘s record-setting dead-cap hit ($40MM).

    Baltimore will have a major decision to make in the coming weeks. GM Eric DeCosta said he has not decided if the team will place the exclusive or nonexclusive tag on Lamar Jackson. Even the nonexclusive number — $32.42MM — will dramatically change the Ravens’ budget ahead of free agency. The exclusive tag, which prevents other teams from submitting an offer sheet to Jackson, is expected to come in just north of $45MM.
    The Watson deal still makes me laugh. And BAL no longer has a 'cheap' QB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whisper View Post
    That's right, THIS year we are STILL paying $4.7 million in dead $ for Tuitt. Still like the way this team runs things? Keep kicking that can down the road. That's just great that we are still paying for him. Way to go.
    you bring entertainment to the board I see.

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    If he decided to come back & play, he'd probably be our best D-lineman

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzz View Post
    If he decided to come back & play, he'd probably be our best D-lineman
    yes, losing Tuitt unexpectedly the way we did was a big loss for our defense and team.
    Steel Maniac's Time-Based Prediction: Lamar Jackson will be a bust and total flop in the NFL.

    What Actually Happened: Lamar Jackson became the youngest two-time NFL MVP winner ever.

    Gloat gloat gloat


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    Quote Originally Posted by hawaiiansteel View Post
    yes, losing Tuitt unexpectedly the way we did was a big loss for our defense and team.
    The word is Tuitt did not like the being on the team, and had a fall out with Tomlin.

    Tuitt, who still has yet to even practice for the team this season, has been a constant mystery for the fan base. Defensive Coordinator Keith Butler said Tuitt was dealing with a knee injury, but the fact Tuitt hasn’t been seen practicing with the team since his brother’s tragic hit and run death this summer has many believing this absence has several layers to it.

    IMO the Steelers should go after this dead money. Something is missing from the story.
    Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game in seven years and counting. The earliest will be eight years. I guess that in Art Rooney's II, opinion is worth a 3 year extension.

    Our 2024 draft looks to be grade A. Our 2023 draft is an A. The roster is talented, but Mike Tomlin is still the head coach.

    *** Mike Tomlin is the best coach since the AFL- NFL merger that has not won a playoff game in 8 seasons or more. It's either him or Lewis. ***

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