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  • Steel Maniac
    Banned
    • Apr 2017
    • 19472

    Originally posted by Joel Buchsbaum
    I don't want a link, I want video proof! Again quote me right or don't quote me at all. Got me , banned one? I can see why you were banned in the past.
    He started making up stuff about me again as well. He and and his buddy run around and do that to posters all the time.I had to re-block him and HS because of it. I've given up on them.

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    • T.Ferguson
      Pro Bowler
      • Sep 2021
      • 2377

      Originally posted by feltdizz
      this isn?t true. We want to score points. Kenny is just missing guys and played 2 tough defenses.

      He has thrown the deep slant. He?s missed he deep slant. His first INT was a 20 yard pass to DJ where DJ slipped.

      This isn?t a dink and dunk offense. Its just a bad offense and Kenny is missing some guys who are open downfield.
      Most passes in this offense are not what you are describing, it very much is a ball control, risk averse style offense that tries to use the pass in place of running it, just look at passing charts. In the Niners game, for example, almost half the passes were 5 yards or less and most are to the outside. 7 out of 46 attempts were 15 yards or longer and this was in a game where the Steelers were trailing early.

      And I mean to an extent this is how offenses are in the NFL today for the most part but Steelers are definitely the worst I would argue from a schematic, execution and play calling standpoint. But execution is directly impacted by the scheme and play calling and predictability.

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      • Steel Maniac
        Banned
        • Apr 2017
        • 19472

        Originally posted by T.Ferguson
        Most passes in this offense are not what you are describing, it very much is a ball control, risk averse style offense that tries to use the pass in place of running it, just look at passing charts. In the Niners game, for example, almost half the passes were 5 yards or less and most are to the outside. 7 out of 46 attempts were 15 yards or longer and this was in a game where the Steelers were trailing early.

        And I mean to an extent this is how offenses are in the NFL today for the most part but Steelers are definitely the worst I would argue from a schematic, execution and play calling standpoint. But execution is directly impacted by the scheme and play calling and predictability.
        Exactly. Canada's scheme's are high schoolish; to say the least. But again, we've got no O-line as well.

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        • feltdizz
          Legend
          • May 2008
          • 27131

          Originally posted by Joel Buchsbaum
          I don't want a link, I want video proof! Again quote me right or don't quote me at all. Got me , banned one? I can see why you were banned in the past.

          I said he was on the field at the start of the game. Now show a video that he wasn't or get lost. I have spent enough time, with you on this topic. The next time your bring this up, I will promise I will flag you. Quote what is said, don' t change it to suit your false narrative..

          Now you will you drop like a fly in the freezer? Sorry to the rest of the readers.
          You woke up and responded to a
          post from February in September and act like I said it yesterday.

          Did you use the search button or just randomly scroll to page 31 of this thread to poutrage out of boredom?

          Everyone showed you how Pierre didn’t start any games that season but you demand video proof? Proof is on YOU since you don’t have the stat to backup Pierre starting that year.

          Now, you can either drop it or I can dig up that thread and your post and embarrass you again.

          Got it?
          Steelers 27
          Rats 16

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          • feltdizz
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            • May 2008
            • 27131

            Originally posted by Steel Maniac
            He started making up stuff about me again as well. He and and his buddy run around and do that to posters all the time.I had to re-block him and HS because of it. I've given up on them.
            man, shut up. What did I make up about you again?

            You guys really wake up refreshed and dumber than the night before.. lol.
            Steelers 27
            Rats 16

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            • feltdizz
              Legend
              • May 2008
              • 27131

              Originally posted by T.Ferguson
              Most passes in this offense are not what you are describing, it very much is a ball control, risk averse style offense that tries to use the pass in place of running it, just look at passing charts. In the Niners game, for example, almost half the passes were 5 yards or less and most are to the outside. 7 out of 46 attempts were 15 yards or longer and this was in a game where the Steelers were trailing early.

              And I mean to an extent this is how offenses are in the NFL today for the most part but Steelers are definitely the worst I would argue from a schematic, execution and play calling standpoint. But execution is directly impacted by the scheme and play calling and predictability.
              but that is partially based on Kenny’s decisions once the ball is snapped.

              I would bet most QB’s aren’t throwing 20 passes 15 yards or more every game. Its usually YAC that make it appear that QB’s are taking more deep shots.

              nice breakdown of air yards and deep passes. since this is a Pickett vs Purdy post. Check out their comps on 20+, 30+ and 40+ pass attempts.

              View 2024 Advanced Quarterback Stats including Air Yards, Deep Ball Passing, Pocket Time, and more. See how QBs perform across the NFL's key metrics.


              and the biggest issue IMO is the time needed for deep shots. The OL isn’t giving Kenny the time needed but he has also faced 2 of the best pass rushing defenses in the first 2 games this year.

              I hope the Raiders game gives us a chance to make plays downfield.
              Last edited by feltdizz; 09-23-2023, 11:19 AM.
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              • SteelCrazy
                Legend
                • Aug 2008
                • 5043

                The Steelers are averaging a league-low 19.6 yards per drive

                The Steelers are averaging a league-low 8.0 offensive points scored per game

                The Steelers are averaging 0.4 points per minute of possession, worst in the NFL.

                That means for just one offensive touchdown, they need 18 and a half minutes of possession.

                Only 52% of their first downs lead to another first down, worst in the NFL.

                On early downs in the first half, if the Steelers are in shotgun, they are 92% pass (#2 highest rate).

                If they are under center, they are 85% run (#4 highest rate).

                So where are they struggling most with?

                Well, on early downs in the first three quarters, although they are wisely dropping back to pass at the #4 highest rate in the NFL, Kenny Pickett has the NFL’s #1 highest pressure rate (48%) and has been hit the #1 most often.

                For a second straight year in the Matt Canada offense, Pickett is being asked to throw outside the numbers a ton.

                60% of his early down passes in the first three quarters are outside the numbers.

                That’s 4th-highest in the NFL.

                These passes are naturally more difficult to complete, even if they are shorter passes.

                Some offenses have their QBs throw short, thinking it will keep the QB upright and complete a higher rate of passes. But most of the QBs that rank top-10 in rate of passes outside the numbers and bottom-10 in passing depth don’t have very high completion rates.

                QBs in that category this year include Pickett, Gardner Minshew, Justin Fields, Justin Herbert and Dak Prescott.

                Meanwhile, some of the more QB-friendly offenses focus on their QBs throwing between the numbers more frequently.

                These teams actually average above average target depth, but the total pass distance is actually shorter because the passes aren’t traveling as horizontal. And therefore, most of these QBs have much higher completion rates.

                This includes Patrick Mahomes, Brock Purdy, Lamar Jackson, Jared Goff, Tua Tagovailoa and even the young Sam Howell.

                So on these early downs, even when Pickett is not being pressured, among all unpressured QB attempts this year, he ranks:

                #31 in success
                #31 in YPA
                #29 in EPA
                He’s still throwing the ball a below-average target depth and throwing outside the numbers on 68% of his attempts, way above the NFL average of 48%, and completing at a bottom-10 rate.

                They use play action at the lowest rate of any team in the NFL and don’t use enough motion.

                They’re not giving Pickett the answers to the test.

                Look at the top teams in motion rate:

                Brock Purdy – SF – Kyle Shanahan
                Patrick Mahomes – KC – Andy Reid
                Tua Tagovailoa – MIA – Mike McDaniel
                Matthew Stafford – LAR – Sean McVay
                Jordan Love – GB – Matt LaFleur
                Desmond Ridder – ATL – Arthur Smith
                What do they all have in common? Offensive head coaches who understand what QBs need to succeed and try to give it to them.

                I hate for Pickett that he’s tethered to Canada. It’s going to stunt his growth and impact his ability to flourish in Year 2 when a lot of younger QBs start to spread their wings.

                https://www.sharpfootballanalysis.com/analysis/steelers-offense-struggles-2023/
                2019 Mock

                1. ILB
                2. CB
                3. ILB
                4. S
                5. CB
                6. ILB
                7. S

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                • Steel Maniac
                  Banned
                  • Apr 2017
                  • 19472

                  Steeler management scouting Kenny Pickett’s replacement.

                  Jan 23, 2023 Follow Fansided The Pittsburgh Steelers offense was expected to make a big leap in the 2023 season, the second year with first-round quarterback Kenny Pickett at the helm. Though two weeks is a small sample size, the results have not delivered on the hope for progression -- not even remotely close. Through the first two games for the Steelers this year, Pickett is just 46-of-76 (60.5%) for 454 yards with only two touchdowns and three interceptions. Moreover, the club ranks just 29th


                  Props to Shawn & Joel. They’ve been right all along.
                  Last edited by Steel Maniac; 09-24-2023, 02:49 AM.

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                  • Steel Maniac
                    Banned
                    • Apr 2017
                    • 19472



                    Matt Canada is getting more hands on with Pickett. Oh joy.

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                    • feltdizz
                      Legend
                      • May 2008
                      • 27131

                      Originally posted by Steel Maniac
                      https://twitter.com/Schultz_Report/s...ntasy-football

                      Matt Canada is getting more hands on with Pickett. Oh joy.
                      clickbait article.

                      That doesn’t even make sense. How the hell is Canada getting a promotion by working more with Kenny when he is the OC? smh
                      Steelers 27
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                      • BURGH86STEEL
                        Legend
                        • May 2008
                        • 6908

                        Originally posted by Steel Maniac
                        Steeler management scouting Kenny Pickett?s replacement.

                        Jan 23, 2023 Follow Fansided The Pittsburgh Steelers offense was expected to make a big leap in the 2023 season, the second year with first-round quarterback Kenny Pickett at the helm. Though two weeks is a small sample size, the results have not delivered on the hope for progression -- not even remotely close. Through the first two games for the Steelers this year, Pickett is just 46-of-76 (60.5%) for 454 yards with only two touchdowns and three interceptions. Moreover, the club ranks just 29th


                        Props to Shawn & Joel. They?ve been right all along.
                        The Steelers haven't given up on Pickett. I am sure the Steelers scout as many top players as they can.

                        The odds were against KP the day he was drafted. I hope the Steelers were right.

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                        • hawaiiansteel
                          Legend
                          • May 2008
                          • 35220

                          Originally posted by Steel Maniac
                          Props to Shawn & Joel. They’ve been right all along.
                          the real reason why KP is playing well tonight.

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                          • feltdizz
                            Legend
                            • May 2008
                            • 27131

                            what???? lmao.. cmon
                            Steelers 27
                            Rats 16

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                            • crushedspirit
                              Pro Bowler
                              • Feb 2021
                              • 2201

                              Pickett made some nice plays along with some bad ones. A dropped pick-6 will help his stat line for sure.

                              His TD to Muth was a very nice throw

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                              • The Man of Steel
                                Pro Bowler
                                • Dec 2009
                                • 2199

                                Hopefully 16/28, 235 yards and 2 touchdowns won’t be Kenny’s ceiling this season. I’d like to see him have some 300 yard passing games just to put a little fear into opposing defenses.
                                Obviously the standard is the standard.

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