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  • ROLROC
    Backup
    • May 2008
    • 147

    Originally posted by feltdizz
    lmao.. now that is funny. Lets take away every coaches and players best 4 years and see how they stack up.
    The problem is that his best 4 seasons were his first 4. You admitted as much. The trend in troubling.

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    • NJ-STEELER
      Legend
      • May 2008
      • 12563

      Let’s be real here.

      there’s a reason he was forced to keep cowher’s coordinators

      Maybe it something Rooney shoukd have kept in place with hires like fitchner and Canada.

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      • Mr.wizard
        Legend
        • May 2014
        • 6617

        Originally posted by Joel Buchsbaum
        A roster that has only four player nominated for the Hall of fame and several other players that made the pro bowl. Tomlin inherited this and hall of fame QB in his prime. Yeah buddy, it was stacked as I said. Tomlin only drafted one starter on offense or defense in his one super bowl win. Remember?
        That same team went 8-8 in 2006 and missed the playoffs. It wasnt some stacked roster that was dominating the league. We had good players mainly on defense, but if you look at the offensive side of the ball we were pretty mediocre.

        QB Ben
        RB Parker
        FB Davis
        TE Miller
        WR Holmes
        WR ward
        OL Smith, Faneca, Mahan, Simmons, Colon.

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        • Mr.wizard
          Legend
          • May 2014
          • 6617

          Originally posted by ROLROC
          The problem is that his best 4 seasons were his first 4. You admitted as much. The trend in troubling.
          Only if your using playoff wins as your sole criteria, the rest of his career was just as good except we didnt reach the SB in the other 7 times we made the playoffs.

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          • WindyCitySteel
            Legend
            • Nov 2011
            • 15451

            Originally posted by Mr.wizard
            Only if your using playoff wins as your sole criteria, the rest of his career was just as good except we didnt reach the SB in the other 7 times we made the playoffs.
            3-7 playoff record, 10 of 12 years w/o a playoff win.

            It's not the sole criteria, but it's the most important. He's had a very Schottenheimer-esque career the last 12 years.

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            • feltdizz
              Legend
              • May 2008
              • 27131

              Originally posted by NJ-STEELER
              Let’s be real here.

              there’s a reason he was forced to keep cowher’s coordinators

              Maybe it something Rooney shoukd have kept in place with hires like fitchner and Canada.
              The reason is Cowher wasn’t fired for being a bad head coach. Why would we get rid of our whole staff when the only one’s who wanted to move on were Cowher and Whiz (if he didn’t get the job).

              Blow up the whole coaching staff because Cowher left after a .500 season?
              Steelers 27
              Rats 16

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              • feltdizz
                Legend
                • May 2008
                • 27131

                Originally posted by WindyCitySteel
                3-7 playoff record, 10 of 12 years w/o a playoff win.

                It's not the sole criteria, but it's the most important. He's had a very Schottenheimer-esque career the last 12 years.
                I think most teams would take that level of success when you add in the SB appearances in 2 of those other 3 years.
                Steelers 27
                Rats 16

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                • Steel Maniac
                  Banned
                  • Apr 2017
                  • 19472

                  Originally posted by NJ-STEELER
                  Let’s be real here.

                  there’s a reason he was forced to keep cowher’s coordinators

                  Maybe it something Rooney should have kept in place with hires like fitchner and Canada.
                  Your hitting on a point that is going to open up a whole new can of worms. Just saying............

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                  • hawaiiansteel
                    Legend
                    • May 2008
                    • 35216

                    Originally posted by feltdizz
                    I think most teams would take that level of success when you add in the SB appearances in 2 of those other 3 years.
                    the Lions, Jaguars, Texans and of course our beloved Cleveland Browns have never even played in a Super Bowl, much less won the game.

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                    • Joel Buchsbaum
                      Legend
                      • Jan 2021
                      • 7547

                      Originally posted by Mr.wizard
                      That same team went 8-8 in 2006 and missed the playoffs. It wasnt some stacked roster that was dominating the league. We had good players mainly on defense, but if you look at the offensive side of the ball we were pretty mediocre.

                      QB Ben
                      RB Parker
                      FB Davis
                      TE Miller
                      WR Holmes
                      WR ward
                      OL Smith, Faneca, Mahan, Simmons, Colon.
                      You are really using the year ( 2006 ) Ben was likely concussed and slammed his head through a windshield three years before we won his second super bowl with Bill Cowher' s 21 of 22 players to make your point in 2009 to say we didn't have a healthy and loaded roster when Tomlin took over and won his super bowl? Really? Come on Mr. Wizard.
                      Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game in seven years and counting. The earliest will be eight years. I guess that in Art Rooney's II, opinion is worth a 3 year extension.

                      Our 2024 draft looks to be grade A. Our 2023 draft is an A. The roster is talented, but Mike Tomlin is still the head coach.

                      *** Mike Tomlin is the best coach since the AFL- NFL merger that has not won a playoff game in 8 seasons or more. It's either him or Lewis. ***

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                      • Joel Buchsbaum
                        Legend
                        • Jan 2021
                        • 7547

                        Originally posted by hawaiiansteel
                        the Lions, Jaguars, Texans and of course our beloved Cleveland Browns have never even played in a Super Bowl, much less won the game.
                        This is old news. In the meantime the Jaguars are young team that made the playoffs and Houston is loaded with draft capital and holds the 2nd pick in the draft. The Steelers are keeping the Lions and Browns, two loser franchises company. Something has to change for us.
                        Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game in seven years and counting. The earliest will be eight years. I guess that in Art Rooney's II, opinion is worth a 3 year extension.

                        Our 2024 draft looks to be grade A. Our 2023 draft is an A. The roster is talented, but Mike Tomlin is still the head coach.

                        *** Mike Tomlin is the best coach since the AFL- NFL merger that has not won a playoff game in 8 seasons or more. It's either him or Lewis. ***

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                        • Joel Buchsbaum
                          Legend
                          • Jan 2021
                          • 7547

                          Originally posted by WindyCitySteel
                          3-7 playoff record, 10 of 12 years w/o a playoff win.

                          It's not the sole criteria, but it's the most important. He's had a very Schottenheimer-esque career the last 12 years.
                          +1. Right. Marty did not go 7 or more seasons without winning a playoff game as Tomlin has.
                          Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game in seven years and counting. The earliest will be eight years. I guess that in Art Rooney's II, opinion is worth a 3 year extension.

                          Our 2024 draft looks to be grade A. Our 2023 draft is an A. The roster is talented, but Mike Tomlin is still the head coach.

                          *** Mike Tomlin is the best coach since the AFL- NFL merger that has not won a playoff game in 8 seasons or more. It's either him or Lewis. ***

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                          • Mr.wizard
                            Legend
                            • May 2014
                            • 6617

                            Originally posted by Joel Buchsbaum
                            You are really using the year ( 2006 ) Ben was likely concussed and slammed his head through a windshield three years before we won his second super bowl with Bill Cowher' s 21 of 22 players to make your point in 2009 to say we didn't have a healthy and loaded roster when Tomlin took over and won his super bowl? Really? Come on Mr. Wizard.
                            First Ben played every game that season, second if one injury derails your season then how "stacked" is the roster?????

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                            • WindyCitySteel
                              Legend
                              • Nov 2011
                              • 15451

                              Originally posted by Mr.wizard
                              First Ben played every game that season, second if one injury derails your season then how "stacked" is the roster?????
                              You're trying too hard to downplay the team Tomlin inherited.

                              Ben, Parker, Holmes, Ward, Faneca, Hartings, Starks, Smith on O, Smith, Snack, Keisel, Farrior, Foote, Ike, Troy, Townsend, Clark, Deebo on D, LeBeau and Arians as coordinators.

                              You don't believe anything you're saying here.
                              Last edited by WindyCitySteel; 02-01-2023, 10:03 PM.

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                              • NJ-STEELER
                                Legend
                                • May 2008
                                • 12563

                                Originally posted by feltdizz
                                The reason is Cowher wasn’t fired for being a bad head coach. Why would we get rid of our whole staff when the only one’s who wanted to move on were Cowher and Whiz (if he didn’t get the job).

                                Blow up the whole coaching staff because Cowher left after a .500 season?
                                I understand the Steelers part of it

                                has to be a bit humiliating though for the coach coming in and not being able to bring in his own people.

                                Are there other coaches hired with that stipulation ?

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