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    What is success from here forward in 2022?

    We're starting a rookie QB, we know that. He's growing, we know that.

    But, if I had come to you 3 weeks ago and said, "From 2-6, what is successful?"
    Apart from the obvious "progress by KP and the offense as a whole", I'm guessing that most would have said "there are 8 games left, I'd like to see ~4 more wins". That would be 6-11.

    Three weeks later, the team sits at 4-7. I'm guessing that 6-11 is no longer acceptable as showing progress. That point leads to both an observation (as a question) then the actual question.

    Observation: Is this team growing / progressing right before our eyes and changing our expectations?

    Now the actual Question: Apart from the obvious (progress by KP, etc), how many more games does the team have to win for your personal comfort that this ship is headed in the right direction?
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    1. Devon Witherspoon, CB, Illinois
    2a. John Michael Schmitz, C, Minnesota
    2b. Matthew Bergeron, OT, Syacuse
    3. Keeanu Benton, NT, Wisconsin
    4.
    7a.
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    As a fan of a winning team and with the history of our Steelers anything short of winning the Superbowl is a flop.

    The season, taking for granted that we will not enter the play-offs, is disappointing. Period.

    I don't have a lot of faith that the team is going in the right direction, especially because for next year I expect, we need, a lot of changes: a new OC, maybe a new DC, 2/5 of the OL, a stud iLB, a rejuvenated DL, CBs...

    It's the first year of one, I hope I'm wrong, long transition and, of course, the more victories the better (I can't stand defeat)... but we still have a journey of 2-3 years to be contenders... no matter what games we win this year.

    With all of my respect. Just my two cents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteelerOfDeVille View Post
    We're starting a rookie QB, we know that. He's growing, we know that.

    But, if I had come to you 3 weeks ago and said, "From 2-6, what is successful?"
    Apart from the obvious "progress by KP and the offense as a whole", I'm guessing that most would have said "there are 8 games left, I'd like to see ~4 more wins". That would be 6-11.

    Three weeks later, the team sits at 4-7. I'm guessing that 6-11 is no longer acceptable as showing progress. That point leads to both an observation (as a question) then the actual question.

    Observation: Is this team growing / progressing right before our eyes and changing our expectations?

    Now the actual Question: Apart from the obvious (progress by KP, etc), how many more games does the team have to win for your personal comfort that this ship is headed in the right direction?
    SuperBowl or Bust baby!!!!!

    9 more wins to go

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    success = playing good enough to get the win but poorly enough for Canada to be fired.

    The talk now is that Canada might stick if the offense continues to thrive.

    There was a very telling comment made by Pickett after the game; he was asked about the playcall on the Snell TD. Pickett said he, Sullivan, and Tomlin discussed it as an option based on the look the defense gave them. ​hmmm...why was Canada's name not mentioned by Pickett???

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    Quote Originally Posted by LAMBERT72 View Post
    As a fan of a winning team and with the history of our Steelers anything short of winning the Superbowl is a flop.

    The season, taking for granted that we will not enter the play-offs, is disappointing. Period.

    I don't have a lot of faith that the team is going in the right direction, especially because for next year I expect, we need, a lot of changes: a new OC, maybe a new DC, 2/5 of the OL, a stud iLB, a rejuvenated DL, CBs...

    It's the first year of one, I hope I'm wrong, long transition and, of course, the more victories the better (I can't stand defeat)... but we still have a journey of 2-3 years to be contenders... no matter what games we win this year.

    With all of my respect. Just my two cents.
    I agree with most of this. Our expectations are high because we always believe we are a contender, even in years where we know better.

    A tiny part of me is secretly wondering, "what would happen if they went 5-1 in these last 6 games?" It's unrealistic, but is it? Falcons, Panthers, Raiders, Browns are all beatable by this Steelers team.
    Could they split with the Ravens?
    Would 9-8 make the playoffs?

    All that seems crazy to say, but it's just what we think of our team and how we set our expectations. Do you realize how legendary this season would be if they could pull that off?

    OK, "flippy mode off".... If they have a record of 3-3, with 2 losses to the Ravens, I'd be good. It would mean they went 3-1 against the others and are ascending to where they should be.
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    2023 Way Too Early Mock
    1. Devon Witherspoon, CB, Illinois
    2a. John Michael Schmitz, C, Minnesota
    2b. Matthew Bergeron, OT, Syacuse
    3. Keeanu Benton, NT, Wisconsin
    4.
    7a.
    7b.



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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthCoast View Post
    success = playing good enough to get the win but poorly enough for Canada to be fired.

    The talk now is that Canada might stick if the offense continues to thrive.

    There was a very telling comment made by Pickett after the game; he was asked about the playcall on the Snell TD. Pickett said he, Sullivan, and Tomlin discussed it as an option based on the look the defense gave them. ​hmmm...why was Canada's name not mentioned by Pickett???
    that reminds me - did y'all see that Josh Dobbs was cut to make room for Deshaun Watson? I have a feeling he'd be a good addition to help Pickett - he's a super smart guy and Ben used him A LOT. He'd be a good pick up during the offseason
    2013 MNF Executive Champion!

    2023 Way Too Early Mock
    1. Devon Witherspoon, CB, Illinois
    2a. John Michael Schmitz, C, Minnesota
    2b. Matthew Bergeron, OT, Syacuse
    3. Keeanu Benton, NT, Wisconsin
    4.
    7a.
    7b.



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    Quote Originally Posted by SteelerOfDeVille View Post
    We're starting a rookie QB, we know that. He's growing, we know that.

    But, if I had come to you 3 weeks ago and said, "From 2-6, what is successful?"
    Apart from the obvious "progress by KP and the offense as a whole", I'm guessing that most would have said "there are 8 games left, I'd like to see ~4 more wins". That would be 6-11.

    Three weeks later, the team sits at 4-7. I'm guessing that 6-11 is no longer acceptable as showing progress. That point leads to both an observation (as a question) then the actual question.

    Observation: Is this team growing / progressing right before our eyes and changing our expectations?

    Now the actual Question: Apart from the obvious (progress by KP, etc), how many more games does the team have to win for your personal comfort that this ship is headed in the right direction?
    Success for me would be listers understanding that, while they may be part of the organization, they are not part of the team, and are not allowed between the white lines during the game... Whatever Youth team you're a part of can start whatever rookie you want... It has no impact on Piittsburgh's success...
    To judge success, you don't have to be results oriented... "Progressing" is not necessarily a destination... Progress, with another descriptor (IE, "Progress in completion percentage..." can be quantified, so the arrow can be pointing up or down...) Success is the same way... Success needs a descriptor....
    A closer-to-home example might be the feud, here... A certain party thinks they are making "baby steps" by backhandedly complimenting another... that isn't trying, it's just putting your $h|t in a prettier bag...
    Last edited by TheRealTazz864; 11-30-2022 at 02:43 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRealTazz864 View Post
    Success for me would be listers understanding that, while they may be part of the organization, they are not part of the team, and are not allowed between the white lines during the game... Whatever Youth team you're a part of can start whatever rookie you want... It has no impact on Piittsburgh's success...
    good luck with that
    2013 MNF Executive Champion!

    2023 Way Too Early Mock
    1. Devon Witherspoon, CB, Illinois
    2a. John Michael Schmitz, C, Minnesota
    2b. Matthew Bergeron, OT, Syacuse
    3. Keeanu Benton, NT, Wisconsin
    4.
    7a.
    7b.



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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthCoast View Post
    success = playing good enough to get the win but poorly enough for Canada to be fired.

    The talk now is that Canada might stick if the offense continues to thrive.

    There was a very telling comment made by Pickett after the game; he was asked about the playcall on the Snell TD. Pickett said he, Sullivan, and Tomlin discussed it as an option based on the look the defense gave them. ​hmmm...why was Canada's name not mentioned by Pickett???
    My God, I hope Canada possibly staying is not true.

    Success would be being able to make a definitive decision on Pickett's future with us..one way or the other. We already know Pickens is going to be our lead WR for the near future.
    From the 2010-2022 season,(A 13 year period that the majority of Cowher's players & coaches had left) Mike Tomlin has only won 3 playoff games. And two of those wins were against back up Quarterbacks. Currently, Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game in 6 years.

    Dolphin fans in the 90ís held on to Don Shula for too long for what he did in the playoffs in the 70ís...
    Are the same as Steeler fans (of 2023) holding on to Tomlin for too long for what he did in 2008, with Cowher's players & coaches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteelerOfDeVille View Post
    what is successful?
    Going into the off season knowing what your primary needs are and having fewer than we think now. There are 25 starting positions on a team plus needed depth across the board.

    As an example, take the D backfield:

    If we find a CB1, are we comfortable/set with Wallace, Spoon, Maulet?
    Sutton & Pierre are FA, do we want either back?
    WJ3 has a cap hit almost $13M next year. Obviously he is not in the picture since he still hasn't stepped on the field.
    Have we seen enough to want to keep Edmunds?

    The answers don't always have to be yes, but we do need answers. Yes is better than no, but knowing you are ready to part ways with a player gives you focus on the next steps.

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