Can we stop comparing Pickett to Mahomes or Ben?

[feltdizz]

Didn't you say earlier it wasn't about race?

No.. I said bringing up Reggie Wayne wasn’t “just about race.”

Which means race is part of it but Wayne is also a former Colts player who is a coach on staff.

[feltdizz]

The conversation between Dizz and NJ is about race despite what Dizz said earlier. I don't know why he tried to deny it.

Here is the history.

There is a long standing debate between the two about whether Tomlin was a qualified hire.

NJ pointed to Tomlins "one season" as a coordinator as being insufficient to qualify him and that Rooney "had" to hire a black coach as the namesake of the Rooney rule.

Therefore, whenever a less qualified coach gets hired you can bet Dizz will point it out. Pretty much every time.

I know because I've been in those debates generally agreeing with Dizz. Regardless, ones view of Tomlin's history as head coach, he was VERY qualified for the job.

please point out where I tried to deny it. I said it wasn’t just about race. Its also about coaches who put in years trying to get a HC gig.

I have no problem pointing out the racial angle in my post about NFL coaches.. the main reason ai joined the Trib board is because of the racism directed at Tomlin.

[feltdizz]

The thing is there's always a first time for everything. Then it becomes normal and routine. The result will dictate whether it becomes a trend or dies a quick death.

I agree.. but the first time a player or coach skipped the line to get a TV gig best believe their was an uproar.

but now, most TV studios have 1 host who didn’t play the game and all the other chairs are filled with former coaches and players.

[NJ-STEELER]

BTW, my opinion on the rule?

A legit problem of the Rooney rule is this kind of perception. However, prior to the rule, truth was that owners simply were ignoring qualified black coaches.

Did the rule lead to the Tomlin interview? I'd suggest as consisering diverse option is a Rooney value, he would interview a diverse pool regardless. He did that when we hired COWHER. Considered Greene but HIRED the best candidate regardless the race. That is how the rule is meant to work. Rooneys dont need a rule .. it is how they operate.

Tomlin?
Tony Dungy recommended Tomlin. One can imagine Tomlin killing an interview EASY.

Anybody questioning Tomlins hire over a guy who teaches fat men how to block is ridiculous.

teaching fat men how to block is what sone of the top coaches of the game did or played.

Lombardi, noll, belichik.

come to think of it. Who the hell hires guys who were receivers when they played?

can we expect coach AB in the future?
Coach chase claypool.

it’s clear they see the game differently.

[feltdizz]

teaching fat men how to block is what sone of the top coaches of the game did or played.

Lombardi, noll, belichik.

come to think of it. Who the hell hires guys who were receivers when they played?

can we expect coach AB in the future?
Coach chase claypool.

it’s clear they see the game differently.

Hines Ward interviewed for the Texans last year.

[Captain Lemming]

teaching fat men how to block is what sone of the top coaches of the game did or played.

Lombardi, noll, belichik.

What are you talking about?
None of these men were offensive line coaches.

Noll and BB were DEFENSIVE coaches... just like Tomlin.

Heck only Lombardi was an NFL offensive coach.
Offensive coordinator.

None had the limited coaching resume of Russ Grimm...teaching fat men to block.

Even AFTER Grimm lost out on the head coach job he was never a coordinator under his pal Whiz. He was the other finalist. Tomlin was not only a coordinator, he was a FAR better position coach and was used to teach techniques to the ENTIRE Tampa defense as DB coach (something you mocked Tomlin for mentioning).

Proof?
Derrick Brooks thanked Tomlin by name in his hall of fame speech.

[NJ-STEELER]

What are you talking about?
None of these men were offensive line coaches.

Noll and BB were DEFENSIVE coaches... just like Tomlin.

Heck only Lombardi was an NFL offensive coach.
Offensive coordinator.

None had the limited coaching resume of Russ Grimm...teaching fat men to block.

Even AFTER Grimm lost out on the head coach job he was never a coordinator under his pal Whiz. He was the other finalist. Tomlin was not only a coordinator, he was a FAR better position coach and was used to teach techniques to the ENTIRE Tampa defense as DB coach (something you mocked Tomlin for mentioning).

Proof?
Derrick Brooks thanked Tomlin by name in his hall of fame speech.

read that again.

They were all offensive lineman when they played

and I’m genuinely asking here.
mare there any former wide receivers that made great coaches?
it’s not really a position you need to think much for someone to be successful

[NorthCoast]

KP - QB rating 85.9 for the CIN game; second best of his career

[T.Ferguson]

I'm going to be honest, I think in some ways KP has looked less impressive as the season has gone on. He still seems more tentative than he did when he first started, his pocket presence and reads aren't as impressive either. I fear the coaching/system is taking it's toll on his development where the focus still seems to be ball control and don't make a mistake (see second half yesterday).

[WindyCitySteel]

I'm going to be honest, I think in some ways KP has looked less impressive as the season has gone on. He still seems more tentative than he did when he first started, his pocket presence and reads aren't as impressive either. I fear the coaching/system is taking it's toll on his development where the focus still seems to be ball control and don't make a mistake (see second half yesterday).

I brought this up weeks ago for Kenny (years ago in general), people finally seem to be coming around. Even hearing media types talk about it.

Mike Tomlin lives in his fears.

[NorthCoast]

I'm going to be honest, I think in some ways KP has looked less impressive as the season has gone on. He still seems more tentative than he did when he first started, his pocket presence and reads aren't as impressive either. I fear the coaching/system is taking it's toll on his development where the focus still seems to be ball control and don't make a mistake (see second half yesterday).

I posted KP's draft profile in another thread but one thing stuck out; KP is best suited as a 'rhythm passer'. Well, there's really nothing rhythm with this offense. Nothing. Random plays strung together as a gameplan.

[T.Ferguson]

I brought this up weeks ago for Kenny (years ago in general), people finally seem to be coming around. Even hearing media types talk about it.

Mike Tomlin lives in his fears.

Yeah and it sucks to see. He is still making some impressive throws but just from the eye test pov it's frustrating to watch. And he seems more visibly frustrated as well, even on that TD pass to Pickens he didn't exactly seemed enthused on the play, he was hit on the play as well so maybe that had something to do with it but still.

[T.Ferguson]

I posted KP's draft profile in another thread but one thing stuck out; KP is best suited as a 'rhythm passer'. Well, there's really nothing rhythm with this offense. Nothing. Random plays strung together as a gameplan.

I didn't really watch him play much in college but I can definitely see that with him. And yeah the offense is a complete mess from a coaching/play calling stand point. How many times last night did the Steelers run the ball on 2nd and 10 or 9 for barely any yards? Maybe it only happened a few times but it seems fairly constant. I do know the Steelers offense faced a lot of 3rd and longs though which of course puts a lot of pressure on the QB.

[NorthCoast]

Yeah and it sucks to see. He is still making some impressive throws but just from the eye test pov it's frustrating to watch. And he seems more visibly frustrated as well, even on that TD pass to Pickens he didn't exactly seemed enthused on the play, he was hit on the play as well so maybe that had something to do with it but still.

His body language says a lot. It's a long season and the light at the tunnel probably seems miles away for him.
KP's time to throw was the highest yet this season; 3.22 sec. I don't know if that is a positive or not at this point.

[WindyCitySteel]

How many times last night did the Steelers run the ball on 2nd and 10 or 9 for barely any yards? Maybe it only happened a few times but it seems fairly constant.

I'm scanning the play-by-play now and 2nd and 9 or 10 is always a Najee run, if it's more than 10 they pass. Tomlin's play chart obviously scripts this stuff out, it's automatic.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/playbyplay/_/gameId/401437856