At this point of their careers...

[SteelerOfDeVille]

Who did you see something special and feel better about becoming a star...Ben? Kenny?

At this point in his career, Ben was undefeated... so, there's that

[WindyCitySteel]

At this point in his career, Ben was undefeated... so, there's that

Yup, and in one of those wins, he actually threw for over 200 yards! In the regular season, he has as many games (4) over 200 yards passing as he did under 150 yards. The rest were in between.

[feltdizz]

The 6-10 was a one-season mirage due to a bunch of flukey turnovers and injuries, I hope you're not trying to imply that Ben saved a bad roster. Great OL, backs, WRs, and most of all, defense. Won 32 games the three seasons before that fluke.

who needs facts when the point is to bring up Lamar Jackson

[feltdizz]

stacked team.. lolol
6-10 the year before drafting ben


lamaar gets drafted by a 9-7 team and its all him.hahahahaha
gotta love the hypocrisy

you are probably the only person on earth who thinks the 2004 Steeler team had less talent surrounding the QB than the 2017 Ravens team.

Congratulations!

[Jooser]

Big Ben for sure, don't even have to think about it. He played lights out his rookie season, stacked cast or not.

[Joel Buchsbaum]

Who did you see something special and feel better about becoming a star...Ben? Kenny?

How does Heck NO, not something special for sure. His upside and I'm being serious is a more mobile weaker armed Andy Dalton. He's a rookie and will get better but I suspect we wiki be looking for a new QB sooner or later with sooner being the 2023 draft / free agency and later being before his 1st contact is official up.

[NJ-STEELER]

The 6-10 was a one-season mirage due to a bunch of flukey turnovers and injuries, I hope you're not trying to imply that Ben saved a bad roster. Great OL, backs, WRs, and most of all, defense. Won 32 games the three seasons before that fluke.

And before that how many?

4 of 6 seasons missed the playoffs.

great OL? Faneca and who? Hartings?

great RB. an almost done bettis ?? Duce?

wr. Plax gone after 2004.

hines, el, and Cedric?
tuman? C’mon

DL. solid. Above average

LBs. Peezy and ( jets cast off) farrier who found his niche here.

DBs. Who ??

great roster my ass.

THATS you’re average nfl roster.
take the worst team this year and you can find guys like that on the team.

[NJ-STEELER]

you are probably the only person on earth who thinks the 2004 Steeler team had less talent surrounding the QB than the 2017 Ravens team.

Congratulations!

actually it’s the 2003 team being compared.
6-10

ravens 2017. 9-7
ssme record as 2 wildcard PLAYOFFFFFFFF teams.
lost out on playoff tie breaker

only you and baltimoron fans think they didn’t have a good team

[Northern_Blitz]

Who did you see something special and feel better about becoming a star...Ben? Kenny?

This isn't a fair comparison.

Ben had among the best rookie years of all time.

In part because he played well and showed off that Ben magic.

But also because he had a #1D (by points) and a solid running game.

I suppose the thing about Ben that year was that he still showed so much greatness even though it was an offense under Cowher...which I'd imagine was pretty conservative. Just going from memory though, maybe that's not the case.

Kenny would probably look better if he was in the same situation as Ben. But it's very unlikely that he'd look as good as Ben did IMO. It's really, really hard to be that good that early (or probably ever).

My guess is that it won't really be fair to compare any other Steelers QB I see in my lifetime to Ben...except maybe in the last couple years.

[Northern_Blitz]

0 TD, 1 INT as a rookie. He started lighting it up his 2nd season.

I remember lots of people complaining on here about how terrible our defense was when we gave up 42 points to a 1st year starter in week 2.

Turns out, that guy was almost certainly a future hall of famer. And probably the best QB of his generation.