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    Quote Originally Posted by crushedspirit View Post
    Reid and Hoodie are the only 2 first ballot coaches currently still coaching, that part is a given. If you can have an 11-13 record in the playoffs while going to 5 Conference Championships with 3 different non-HOF QBs, I'm pretty sure most would recognize that as an accomplishment. And both franchises he took over were in complete disarray and needed time to be rebuilt.

    Without Mahomes, Reid is still the much better coach. Mahomes just made him a first ballot HOF coach instead of having to wait a few years to get in.
    Agreed. Some don’t want to hear that but it’s the truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steel Maniac View Post
    I’m not taking anything personally.
    Steel Maniac's Time-Based Prediction: Lamar Jackson will be a bust and total flop in the NFL.

    What Actually Happened: Lamar Jackson became the youngest two-time NFL MVP winner ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crushedspirit View Post
    Reid and Hoodie are the only 2 first ballot coaches currently still coaching, that part is a given. If you can have an 11-13 record in the playoffs while going to 5 Conference Championships with 3 different non-HOF QBs, I'm pretty sure most would recognize that as an accomplishment. And both franchises he took over were in complete disarray and needed time to be rebuilt.

    Without Mahomes, Reid is still the much better coach. Mahomes just made him a first ballot HOF coach instead of having to wait a few years to get in.
    He may be a better coach. I think there is a reasonable argument that he is.

    But he wouldn't look like it without Mahomes. He'd look like Marty.

    It's having the best QB of his generation that makes him look great to people that inky care about SB wins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northern_Blitz View Post
    He may be a better coach. I think there is a reasonable argument that he is.

    But he wouldn't look like it without Mahomes. He'd look like Marty.

    It's having the best QB of his generation that makes him look great to people that inky care about SB wins.
    Well yeah any generational QBs will elevate those coaches to a different stratosphere, that's a given. The point is that he was already better in comparison before Mahomes.

    I don't agree at all he would look like Marty, who finished 5-13 in the playoffs and had Drew Brees for years. He was a horrible playoff coach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crushedspirit View Post
    I don't agree at all he would look like Marty, who finished 5-13 in the playoffs and had Drew Brees for years. He was a horrible playoff coach.
    Exactly. exactly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steel Maniac View Post
    Agreed. Some don’t want to hear that but it’s the truth.
    who doesn't want to hear that?
    Steel Maniac's Time-Based Prediction: Lamar Jackson will be a bust and total flop in the NFL.

    What Actually Happened: Lamar Jackson became the youngest two-time NFL MVP winner ever.

    Gloat gloat gloat


    Boom........Knuckle up. Punk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crushedspirit View Post
    Well yeah any generational QBs will elevate those coaches to a different stratosphere, that's a given. The point is that he was already better in comparison before Mahomes.

    I don't agree at all he would look like Marty, who finished 5-13 in the playoffs and had Drew Brees for years. He was a horrible playoff coach.
    I don't think you and I would compare him to Marty necessarily.

    Personally, I'd probably just never really think about him. He'd be like Marty in that he'd be a successful coach who wouldn't be in the Hall VS a guy who is now certain to get in.

    But there are people on here who think coaches with sub 500 playoff records are terrible full stop. No context required. And that's what AR was without Mahomes. And McNabb was a good QB (more awards than Ben I think... Probably because NFC had weaker QBs though).

    Would have been better if I said 'He'd look like Marty to many of the posters here".

    Many who now hype AR would be first on the Reid hate train in this alternate universe.

    Just like how they would have hated Reid in Philly for never winning a SB.

    Like the haters felt about Cowher before he got a great QB.

    The whole point I'm trying to make is that the most important thing for us now is KP being at least above average.

    If he isn't, we aren't likely to be competitive no matter what we do scheme or cap wise. I think those are 2nd to "do you have a good QB? Preferably one that's at least one of elite or super cheap".
    Last edited by Northern_Blitz; 03-18-2023 at 07:23 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northern_Blitz View Post
    I don't think you and I would compare him to Marty necessarily.

    Personally, I'd probably just never really think about him. He'd be like Marty in that he'd be a successful coach who wouldn't be in the Hall VS a guy who is now certain to get in.

    But there are people on here who think coaches with sub 500 playoff records are terrible full stop. No context required. And that's what AR was without Mahomes. And McNabb was a good QB (more awards than Ben I think... Probably because NFC had weaker QBs though).

    Would have been better if I said 'He'd look like Marty to many of the posters here".

    Many who now hype AR would be first on the Reid hate train in this alternate universe.

    Just like how they would have hated Reid in Philly for never winning a SB.

    Like the haters felt about Cowher before he got a great QB.

    The whole point I'm trying to make is that the most important thing for us now is KP being at least above average.

    If he isn't, we aren't likely to be competitive no matter what we do scheme or cap wise. I think those are 2nd to "do you have a good QB? Preferably one that's at least one of elite or super cheap".
    Of the 3 coaches mentioned here - Reid pre-Mahomes, Cowher, and Tomlin, Tomlin by far had the best QB situation for the longest span, so the "sub-.500 playoff records" are not all cut from the same cloth. He's twice had to coach seasons without Ben, both times he failed to make the playoffs, one of those times after the expanded playoff field was introduced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WindyCitySteel View Post
    Of the 3 coaches mentioned here - Reid pre-Mahomes, Cowher, and Tomlin, Tomlin by far had the best QB situation for the longest span, so the "sub-.500 playoff records" are not all cut from the same cloth. He's twice had to coach seasons without Ben, both times he failed to make the playoffs, one of those times after the expanded playoff field was introduced.
    I think this isn't unreasonable.

    My point isn't that Tomlin is better than these other guys. Just that they are in the same tier. I've said multiple times here that I think Tomlin had fallen in that tier in recent years.

    I also think Tomlin probably had the hardest competition in conference of these guys so it was harder to get higher seeds.

    Again, all I'm arguing is that we need KP to be at least above average (probably better given the state of QBs in the AFC) if we want to compete for SBs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northern_Blitz View Post
    I think the Hill thing hadn't happened yet. But I think it happened right after. I think they just got their ducks in a row (have Juju) before getting rid of Hill because of the cap hit.

    I don't think that the offensive weapons KC had this year were better than Brown and Bell in their primes. I don't get why you think the Steelers didn't put assets into the offense. We spent multiple early picks on the OL to protect Ben. We had an elite RB (and drafted Mendenhall before that). Seems like we drafted a WR in the 2nd or 3rd ever year.

    The problem was when Shazier got hurt, the D was bad when the offense peaked.

    And Ben lost what made him Ben when he got older and could consistently shrug off DTs with ease, then bomb it to the WR that was open because the DB covering him had to pick his jaw up off the turf. Ben was absolutely amazing to watch in his prime. But that style isn't one that's build for longevity.

    I think it's kind of surprising that Ben stayed as good as he did despite losing his ability to extend plays indefinitely. I think it really puts the lie to the "he's just lazy doesn't practice of study the playbook" narrative that was always floating out there.
    to me, spending 2nd and 3rd rounder on WRs isn't exactly setting up your biggest asset.

    just look at our history at left tackle. probably the 2nd more position on offense.
    beachum 7th rounder
    villa - street free agent/former WR

    can you honestly try and tell me they've addressed that position like other teams with their franchise QBs did?
    brady, rodgers, etc

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