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    Once-high Steelers’ standards have fallen and can’t get up

    https://www.pennlive.com/sports/2022...nt-get-up.html



    Steelers outside linebacker T.J. Watt sure rose the occasion in 2021, but most of the rest of the team didn't measure up to the once-sterling Steelers' standard. Most alarmingly, with a critical offseason now at hand, Coach Mike Tomlin doesn't seem to be in any rush to rebuild his subpar football team. Hear much more in the Steelers Update Podcast, below.(AP Photo/Nick Wass)AP
    By John Luciew | jluciew@pennlive.com
    Astonishingly, Steelers Coach Mike Tomlin doesn’t seem to comprehend the urgency and import of his subpar team’s desperately needed rebuild.

    Tomlin loves to say, “the standard is the standard.” But in recent years, that once-high Steelers’ standard has fallen and can’t get up.
    Now, they’re losing franchise quarterback and future Hall of Famer Ben Roethlisberger amid another disappointing season and postseason blowout.

    You’d think this would be the time when a determined Tomlin doubled down on sweeping coaching staff changes, while committing to doing everything and anything to bring a bona fide franchise quarterback to the Steel City.


    But in his season-ending news conference this week, Tomlin was reticent to announce any major changes.


    Yes, defensive coordinator Keith Butler, architect of defensive failures so massive the Steelers now hold the record for giving up the most points over three consecutive playoff games, may or may not retire. Either way, it will be Butler’s call, not Tomlin and the team pushing him out.


    Tomlin is offering an anxious Steelers Nation no assurances that his coaching staff will be any different in 2022.


    Chief among the assistants Tomlin is standing by is his outclassed offensive coordinator Matt Canada. He’ll likely be back designing the go-nowhere Steelers’ attack and calling its perplexing plays.


    As for who’ll step into Roethlisberger’s sizable shoes behind center? Well, it could be either of the two quarterbacks currently on the Steelers roster. That being mediocre Mason Rudolph or untested first round draft pick-turned journeyman Dwayne Haskins. Neither offer much comfort to fans desperately seeking a seismic turnround in the Steelers’ dearth of scoring, especially in the first half of football games. Meet you’re 2022 starting quarterback, Steelers fans. Same as the old backups. Woo-hoo!
    We have much more, including a detailed breakdown of Tomlin’s uninspiring press conference, the Steelers’ collapse against the Chiefs and all the lingering questions as your favorite football team attempts to reload for 2022.
    Yes, the Steelers will be using their full scouting resources to draft a quarterback this spring -- possibly with the 20th pick, or even higher with a trade up. But as far as trading away top draft picks to bring in a veteran passer -- don’t hold your breath.


    It was always a Pittsburgh pipe dream that Aaron Rodgers would be clad in black and gold next season. The Steelers just don’t build their teams that way.
    At best, they’ll sign a veteran arm in free agency for a little stability. This won’t be the long- or even medium-term solution at QB. Instead, we’re entering a very uncertain and likely uninspiring period until the next Steelers’ quarterback -- likely whoever they draft this spring -- matures into the role. That’s the best-case scenario. Some would-be franchise passers simply never develop.
    Kenny Pickett is the popular pick in Pittsburgh. But does he have the right stuff as a Steelers’ starter -- or not?
    Pittsburgh struck gold when Ben Roethlisberger was thrust on the field in week two of his rookie year in 2004. With the stout defense that surrounded him, Ben was tasked with handing the football to Jerome Bettis and Fast Willie Parker – and not turning it over, while making just enough plays in the passing game. It proved a formula for Ben’s surprising rookie success.

    Big Ben developed into a big playmaker, carrying the Steelers to three Super Bowls and winning two of them. The championship bids came in the first seven seasons of his career, however. The last decade has been filled with plenty of passing stats and a nice number of regular season wins. But playoff production has been wanting.

    Much is made of Tomlin never having suffered a losing regular season. But with the 42-21 drubbing by the Chiefs last Sunday night, Tomlin’s postseason record has sunk into the red. He’s now a losing coach in the playoffs, when wins matter the most.

    But don’t excuse that Steelers’ D. They’ve been blown up in three consecutive playoff games.
    This cannot stand in the City of Champions. Yet, nothing Tomlin is saying as his team enters one of the most critical offseasons in franchise history is offering much hope Steelers’ sagging fortunes will improve anytime soon.
    Tomlin’s empty talk will change little in 2022.
    Case in point -- clueless offensive coordinator Canada’s coming back.
    All this screams extended transition, not immediate solution great Steelers rebuild we all expected looks to be a protracted and painful process.
    Alas, the once-sterling Steelers’ standard seems to have been suspended for the foreseeable future.
    Until all this changes, most especially the team, itself, life will be anything but a beach for Steelers’ fans.. That great Steelers rebuild we all expected looks to be a protracted and painful process.
    Alas, the once-sterling Steelers’ standard seems to have been suspended for the foreseeable future.
    Until all this changes, most especially the team, itself, life will be anything but a beach for Steelers’ fans.


    Kinda sums up the frustration a lot of fans feel about the present situation. The link provides some insightful video clips to back up the arguments which I couldn't include in the post.

    -joos, out
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jooser View Post
    https://www.pennlive.com/sports/2022...nt-get-up.html



    Steelers outside linebacker T.J. Watt sure rose the occasion in 2021, but most of the rest of the team didn't measure up to the once-sterling Steelers' standard. Most alarmingly, with a critical offseason now at hand, Coach Mike Tomlin doesn't seem to be in any rush to rebuild his subpar football team. Hear much more in the Steelers Update Podcast, below.(AP Photo/Nick Wass)AP


    Kinda sums up the frustration a lot of fans feel about the present situation. The link provides some insightful video clips to back up the arguments which I couldn't include in the post.

    -joos, out
    Yep…. Article is saying what I’ve been saying in this poster room for years.
    From the 2010-2021 season, (A 12year period that the majority of Cowher's players & coaches had left) Mike Tomlin has only won 3 playoff games. And two of those wins were against back up Quarterbacks. Currently, Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game in 5 years.

    Dolphin fans in the 90’s held on to Don Shula for too long for what he did in the playoffs in the 70’s...
    Are the same as Steeler fans (of 2021 ) holding on to Tomlin for too long for what he did in 2008, with Cowher's players & coaches.

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    The things that use to separate the steelers from other teams in this league are gone. We aren’t anymore hard nosed, blue collar, feared, classy, high moraled, etc than any other team in the league. We don’t have a ‘type’ player. We don’t have a special mentality. Our players and coaches don’t like the city or fans anymore that any other coach or player for other teams.
    The only thing that remains is that the steelers stay with a HC for a long time. People will have different reasons/excuses for the changes but it will solely be based on who they like or dislike.
    Update:
    In the last decade:
    25% of the league has won a super bowl. The steelers are not one of them.
    18 teams have as many or more playoff wins as the steelers.
    25 teams have won at least one playoff game, none have a worse playoff win percentage than the steelers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whatever View Post
    The things that use to separate the steelers from other teams in this league are gone. We aren’t anymore hard nosed, blue collar, feared, classy, high moraled, etc than any other team in the league. We don’t have a ‘type’ player. We don’t have a special mentality. Our players and coaches don’t like the city or fans anymore that any other coach or player for other teams.
    The only thing that remains is that the steelers stay with a HC for a long time. People will have different reasons/excuses for the changes but it will solely be based on who they like or dislike.
    I can't name one single hard nosed football team in the NFL today. All legislated out of the game in the name of player safety. Hell, looking at an opponent the wrong way will get you a flag now. Also, it's OK to hold defensive players to protect the QB. Scenes of Lambert and Lloyd crushing the QB on a sack are long gone. Can't rough up WRs trying to run crossers, or wrestle with them on jumpballs down field. And now the latest, can't hit below the knees on lineman in zone blocks.
    Players now sit out because of mandated concussion protocols. Or they sit out because they think they are too injured to play. Not heard of in the oldie days.

    Game of football is no longer your dad's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthCoast View Post
    I can't name one single hard nosed football team in the NFL today. All legislated out of the game in the name of player safety. Hell, looking at an opponent the wrong way will get you a flag now. Also, it's OK to hold defensive players to protect the QB. Scenes of Lambert and Lloyd crushing the QB on a sack are long gone. Can't rough up WRs trying to run crossers, or wrestle with them on jumpballs down field. And now the latest, can't hit below the knees on lineman in zone blocks.
    Players now sit out because of mandated concussion protocols. Or they sit out because they think they are too injured to play. Not heard of in the oldie days.

    Game of football is no longer your dad's.
    Absolutely.
    Thing is , we still hear these when describing a team or player.
    I’m sure fans say it to try to separate their team from other teams. I guess it make them feel better.
    Announcers do the same stuff. I’m sure they do it only to fill airtime, appease the hometown fans and make the city sound like it’s special.
    Update:
    In the last decade:
    25% of the league has won a super bowl. The steelers are not one of them.
    18 teams have as many or more playoff wins as the steelers.
    25 teams have won at least one playoff game, none have a worse playoff win percentage than the steelers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthCoast View Post
    I can't name one single hard nosed football team in the NFL today. All legislated out of the game in the name of player safety. Hell, looking at an opponent the wrong way will get you a flag now. Also, it's OK to hold defensive players to protect the QB. Scenes of Lambert and Lloyd crushing the QB on a sack are long gone. Can't rough up WRs trying to run crossers, or wrestle with them on jumpballs down field. And now the latest, can't hit below the knees on lineman in zone blocks.
    Players now sit out because of mandated concussion protocols. Or they sit out because they think they are too injured to play. Not heard of in the oldie days.

    Game of football is no longer your dad's.
    All true. The slow erosion of the game. Girls will be playing pro football in the future. I’ll have stopped watching by then.
    From the 2010-2021 season, (A 12year period that the majority of Cowher's players & coaches had left) Mike Tomlin has only won 3 playoff games. And two of those wins were against back up Quarterbacks. Currently, Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game in 5 years.

    Dolphin fans in the 90’s held on to Don Shula for too long for what he did in the playoffs in the 70’s...
    Are the same as Steeler fans (of 2021 ) holding on to Tomlin for too long for what he did in 2008, with Cowher's players & coaches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthCoast View Post
    I can't name one single hard nosed football team in the NFL today. All legislated out of the game in the name of player safety. Hell, looking at an opponent the wrong way will get you a flag now. Also, it's OK to hold defensive players to protect the QB. Scenes of Lambert and Lloyd crushing the QB on a sack are long gone. Can't rough up WRs trying to run crossers, or wrestle with them on jumpballs down field. And now the latest, can't hit below the knees on lineman in zone blocks.
    Players now sit out because of mandated concussion protocols. Or they sit out because they think they are too injured to play. Not heard of in the oldie days.

    Game of football is no longer your dad's.
    We basically forced the NFL to change the rules when James Harrison was crushing players and said his goal was to put players out of the game.

    That used to be celebrated, now its condemned.

    The Cincinnati Steelers game in 2017 when Shazier went down was also a turning point. All a sudden every hard hit was seen as “extreme violence”


    https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/oth...-nfl-1.3317577
    Tomlin’s coming back so what can you do?


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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthCoast View Post
    I can't name one single hard nosed football team in the NFL today. All legislated out of the game in the name of player safety.
    Niners, Pats, Ravens all play physical offense and defense. You can't do head shots, but you can fly to the ball and gang tackle and let your OL, TE, and FB bully defenses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WindyCitySteel View Post
    Niners, Pats, Ravens all play physical offense and defense. You can't do head shots, but you can fly to the ball and gang tackle and let your OL, TE, and FB bully defenses.
    Bills scored 7 TD’s on 7 consecutive drives last week. That isn’t physical football.

    We swept the Ravens this year too.

    I do like the way SF runs the ball. We
    need to get back to the days when people knew we were running and still couldn’t stop it.
    Tomlin’s coming back so what can you do?


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    It's video-game-like finesse football now and the Steelers still have a Commodore 64 running the offense.

    With all the rules geared towards offense and scoring, that shows you how far we've fallen. SEVEN straight drives ending in a punt is not acceptable in today's game. That wasn't the 7 we were looking for.

    I feel like the defense isn't too far away. But the offense is a hot mess. Harris and Muuuuth are good. Maybe 1 or 2 wideouts stick. The rest of it needs better players. And most importantly, a QB that can make all the THROWS. I'm concnerned that Tomlin is going to be focused on a QB that can run and make the occasional throw, instead of the other way around.

    Last 16 Super Bowl champs had these QBs. Some mobile, some not, but all made all the throws at that time:
    Tom Brady
    Patrick Mahomes
    Tom Brady
    Nick Foles
    Tom Brady
    Peyton Manning
    Tom Brady
    Russel Wilson
    Joe Flacco
    Eli Manning
    Aaron Rodgers
    Drew Brees
    Ben Roethlisberger
    Eli Manning
    Peyton Manning
    Ben Roethlisberger


    Until I see otherwise, you have to be able to throw and throw well in this league. Foles and Flacco got hot at the right time for their wins. But it was on their arms that they won.

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