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    Can he play the "Y" is the question. Ebron can not. He is a large receiver....period. Nothing wrong with that just can't run the ball well with that type of guy on the field.
    Gentry is a total unknown. This is his camp to make a move or he may be headed down route 30 with us going early on draft day for a "y" type playa!! Freiermuth should get every opportunity to earn playing time. Best case scenario MF balls out n Gentry shows enough to be a serviceable back up allowing us to move Ebron for a mid rounder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iron City Inc. View Post
    Can he play the "Y" is the question. Ebron can not. He is a large receiver....period. Nothing wrong with that just can't run the ball well with that type of guy on the field.
    Gentry is a total unknown. This is his camp to make a move or he may be headed down route 30 with us going early on draft day for a "y" type playa!! Freiermuth should get every opportunity to earn playing time. Best case scenario MF balls out n Gentry shows enough to be a serviceable back up allowing us to move Ebron for a mid rounder.
    I think 'muth will be twice the TE that Ebron is and we'll start to see that this year. I'm not even an Ebron hater, I actually think he creates mismatches and can make things happen but he can be maddingly inconsistent and he just has holes and when his contract runs out we should let him walk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oviedo View Post
    I think 'muth will be twice the TE that Ebron is and we'll start to see that this year. I'm not even an Ebron hater, I actually think he creates mismatches and can make things happen but he can be maddingly inconsistent and he just has holes and when his contract runs out we should let him walk.
    I want the TE role changed for the offense, and a lot of that has do with blocking for Harris. ( More on Harris later ) Ebron is a light weight blocker. I'm telling you ya two of or WR's block better!

    At any rate dialing down TE targets makes sense. Ebron was but the 5th -6th leading receiver for the team, making a below average 10 yards a catch . He fumbled once and dropped too many passes. All easy facts. Yeah a few times a year he can get mismatches and make a nice catch, but at what cost? No, I don't like Ebron on or off the field so you can factor that in if needed. I think he needs to be phased out of the team plans too.

    Our biggest three weapons are Claypool ( Mid, Deep or Sideline occasional run reverse ) , Harris running and catching the ball inside our out, which will require the OL and TE making adjustments to his game. He can cut well , has Emmit Smith like vision, and can make a man miss, and Johnson who dangerously quick in the slot, but need better focus. As Claypool matures, he'll take way Ju-Ju's stuff. So will Johnson if we elect to keep him in free agency, although to be fair Claypool and Ju-Ju would be the best blocking piar at WR, and Red Zone pair as receivers. I think Harris will welcome that. The above are the guys I wanted targeted the most with some reasons given as to why. Washington and ANY TE are going to have to take a back seat, assuming everyone is healthy.

    Our new TE who I think has the body type is going to learn how to be an NFL level blocker. His hands, blocking ability and, likely attitude will likely exceed Ebron's, who's value to the team is exactly what? The 5th receiver and a high cap number? Yep.

    A quick shout out to Harris. For a running back or any rookie I find him so far to very media accessible and bright. He must be a joy to cover for the press.. He gave the best compliment to Tomlin I ever ever read as it was true, and well thought out. I saw it on Smart News, which is pretty much only a media tablet news, but will share it later if I track it down. Also, it appears the Steelers drafted an A+ Human being. Worthy of a man of the year award. Escaping a Foster home, keeping it clean / engaging throughout is football coverage and being a great player at the college level. He gives a lot and says very little if anything negative.

    He also gives usual insight to the new offense, saying Canada reading between the lines is going to put his guys position to make plays, and is a lot like Harris' offense in college, meaning it's not that complicated. I don't think Canada has ever coached a full season, but if he think these money plays which work in college will do the same in the NFL, he's got an awakening coming. You have unproven men at the OL, Ben's declining arm, and many other factors such as all 11 men can play in the NFL which is not the case in college. Your playing vs " the Stars " in college and how he works that into his offense to me will be key.
    Last edited by Joel Buchsbaum; 05-19-2021 at 07:05 AM.
    Plan to spend 75 million in cap space in 2022 ( most in the NFL ) and use the 2 comp picks ( 3rd and 5th ) for a killer 2022 draft. We will be back hopefully with better coaching.

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    Harris will be a great RB for us..

    but its only a matter of time before the media and fans turn on him after a fumble or tweet.

    Not sure why anyone would use yards per catch last year as evidence of anything. Sounds like someone didn’t actually watch the games last year.

    Could care less what anyone thinks of a player off the field. We don’t know them personally. As long as they aren’t kicking babies or assaulting women what they do is of no concern to me unless it ends up with them missing a game due to a suspension or stupid injury (Conner’s toe injury on an ATV).

    Canada hasn’t been the OC for a year so we have no idea what he will design for our offense but I look forward to watching it and will wait instead of making useless predictions based on last years production with a different OC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by feltdizz View Post
    Harris will be a great RB for us..
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    Good write up Joe, when you step back the pick makes so much sense, especially value ( back in the early draft process he was a boarder line 1st round talent)

    I am starting to think Freiermuth is going to be our starting TE ( maybe more snaps by week 5).

    I would love for us to trade Ebron, if it is possible.
    He is expendable, we already have that athletic big wr in claypool.


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    Quote Originally Posted by steeler_george View Post
    Good write up Joe, when you step back the pick makes so much sense, especially value ( back in the early draft process he was a boarder line 1st round talent)

    I am starting to think Freiermuth is going to be our starting TE ( maybe more snaps by week 5).

    I would love for us to trade Ebron, if it is possible.
    He is expendable, we already have that athletic big wr in claypool.

    I backed the Harris pick but the draft is over and how our 2nd, 3rd and other 4th round pick fit in matters now. I would have taken others who I think are better but that doesn't matter as much now. Rather having Freiermuth and Green work to fit in and start making plays does. I love our 6th round edge rusher. Waiting too long to take CB is an issue, regardless of Colbert's track record with them.
    Plan to spend 75 million in cap space in 2022 ( most in the NFL ) and use the 2 comp picks ( 3rd and 5th ) for a killer 2022 draft. We will be back hopefully with better coaching.

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    Freiermuth has a true love of football

    May 19, 2021
    Teresa Varley
    Steelers.com

    You often hear college football coaches talk about how much they love one of their players who was just drafted by an NFL team, how much they respect them, and so on and so on.

    But when you hear Penn State Coach James Franklin talk about tight end Pat Freiermuth, the Steelers No. 2 pick in the 2021 NFL Draft, you know he is speaking from the heart.

    Franklin has a relationship with Freiermuth, one that extends beyond the way the two interact on the football field, flowing over to their families, including his wife Fumi and daughters, Shola and Addison. He smiled and laughed as he shared a story of the Franklin family teasing Freiermuth after his new touchdown pose, even giving me a look at what it was like as he sat in his office in State College, Pa. while talking via zoom.

    "We have a really close relationship," said a smiling Franklin. "My wife and daughters have a great relationship with Pat. He kind of started doing this silly touchdown thing when he scored and crossed his arms. His grandparents didn't like it at all. My wife and kids knew that, and they took a picture of them all doing the Pat Freiermuth pose and we sent it to his mom and dad and grandparents, and they weren't happy."

    All joking aside, Franklin truly has the utmost respect for Freiermuth, who has a love of football that isn't found in every player.

    "Pat loves football," said Franklin. "There are a lot of people nowadays that like football, and the things that come from football, but Pat loves the game. They either like the things that come from football, but they don't necessarily like doing the dirty, gritty, monotonous work they need that makes them be special in any craft or endeavor.

    "It's like if you go to any basketball court in America, any kid is out there trying to dunk or shoot the three, but nobody is out there shooting foul shots anymore. Pat is that type of guy. He is going to go out and work on all of the details, fundamentals, that allow highly successful athletes to be consistent and productive."

    It's that love, that attitude, that work ethic that made Freiermuth a perfect choice for a two-time team captain, and someone his teammates couldn't say enough about during his time there.

    "He has a really good perspective," said Franklin. "He can get along with anybody in the locker room. He views things and looks at the game from a leadership standpoint, similar to how coaches do. He is what I call a culture driver. You can't have enough guys like Pat in the locker room. He instantly, without making plays on the field, makes your organization better just by how he goes about his business."

    Last year there were rumors that Freiermuth was going to opt out of his final season because of the COVID-19 pandemic and the Big Ten initially announcing they were going to delay the 2020 season until the following spring. But that was nothing but rumors. His parents fought tooth and nail, along with many others, to get the Big Ten to reverse direction, starting the season late, but playing nonetheless.

    The only disappointment for Freiermuth last season was it ended early for him due to an injury, even though he played through it for several weeks.

    "Halfway through our season he injured his shoulder and played in multiple games with an injury that would keep most guys out," said Franklin. "I think that shows Pat's toughness. That shows Pat playing for our team and what that meant for our program.

    "It also impacted Pat's legacy here. We talk about leaving a legacy. The tight tends we have in our program now, there are a lot of conversations on the field, in the meeting room, how Pat went about his business. I think he is just a guy that understands he is going to put the organization first.

    "Pat is self-aware, he understood what he had in front of him. Pat is going to be about the Steelers organization first and foremost. He understands winning, and what winning takes, and the sacrifices that need to be made. I think that is why I think the Steelers got a great one.

    "Coach (Mike) Tomlin hit me up right before it got announced and told me we just took your guy. I told him the same thing. Your locker room just got better. Your culture and your team just got better. Not that the Steelers culture needs help, but guys like Pat they continue to build on the foundation that is there. He fits the culture. Not just the current Steelers culture, but when you look at the history, legacy and consistency, in terms of ownership, leadership in the general manager and head coaches, they have had so much consistency, and I would say that is why the identity has been so consistent. Blue-collar, hard-nosed, tough steel town and that still exists today, and you see that when the Steelers play."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oviedo View Post
    I think 'muth will be twice the TE that Ebron is and we'll start to see that this year. I'm not even an Ebron hater, I actually think he creates mismatches and can make things happen but he can be maddingly inconsistent and he just has holes and when his contract runs out we should let him walk.
    So what is your criteria for being twice the TE that Ebron is?
    Update:
    In the last decade, 25% of the league has won a super bowl(the Steelers aren't one of them) and now 50% have as many or more playoff wins as the Steelers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whatever View Post
    So what is your criteria for being twice the TE that Ebron is?
    I’m curious too.

    Is it twice the production or the same production but better blocking?

    I really doubt Pat is used as more than a blocking TE and hopefully a nice red zone threat at the GL who slips put for open TD’s.
    Tomlinís coming back so what can you do?


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