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    The Steelers are choosing to decline Terrell Edmunds’ 5th year option

    The Steelers are choosing to decline Terrell Edmunds’ 5th year option

    By Jeff.Hartman@BnGBlitz Updated May 3, 2021

    The Pittsburgh Steelers had to make a very difficult decision with safety Terrell Edmunds. Monday was the deadline for the team to make a decision on the former first round pick’s 5th year option.

    After already picking up the 5th year option for Minkah Fitzpatrick, the question then became would they do the same for Edmunds? With the deadline approaching the Steelers decided to decline the option on Edmunds.

    The amount of the option for Edmunds would have been $6.753 million as he earned enough playing time to put him into the second category under the new system established in the most recent Collective Bargaining Agreement. Had Edmunds made a Pro Bowl, his option would have been for more than $9 million. By picking up Fitzpatrick’s option, the Steelers shelled out $10.621 million for 2022 which fully guarantees his fourth-year and fifth-year salaries. As for Edmunds, he is now set to be a free agent following the 2021 season.

    The decision for the Steelers to not pick up Edmunds’ option marks the third time the Steelers have not picked up the option on a first round pick since the option became a part of the NFL contract for first round picks. The other two instances were with Jarvis Jones and Artie Burns.

    Not picking up the option doesn’t mean Edmunds is automatically done in Pittsburgh. The Steelers could still sign Edmunds to a second contract, one which they feel would be more fitting for how they view Edmunds’ worth. However, to do so Edmunds will likely first have to try his hand at free agency. If he finds there isn’t a better deal out there, he certainly could return to the Steelers. It is possible, but unlikely.

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    This is a mild surprise IMO.

    I thought that we would have picked up the option so that we were set at S for the next few years and we could focus on upgrading our CBs after this year.

    I think he's a solid guy, but would obviously like more splash plays from him.

    Hoping that we can get a long term deal done at a value that's less than the option value for Edmunds.

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    I think this upcoming season is huge for him. If he continues to improve he will get a deal done.

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    My opinion dated to the day he was drafted was Edmunds was a 3rd round talent. In fact thats where I mocked him. He did better last season thats to a fierce pass rush, a simplified coverage ( For him ) and Fitzsimmons playing next to him. His angles to the ball need work, He's not a hitter or wrap up tackler ( I think he lead the team in missed tackles ) he doesn't turn his head around while running, and last year aside, he's not a splash play type of guy.

    He's not worth a 1st round option. Next year hopefully Colbert focuses on the DB's a bit more.
    Plan to spend 75 million in cap space in 2022 ( most in the NFL ) and use the 2 comp picks ( 3rd and 5th ) for a killer 2022 draft. We will be back hopefully with better coaching.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joel Buchsbaum View Post
    My opinion dated to the day he was drafted was Edmunds was a 3rd round talent. In fact thats where I mocked him. He did better last season thats to a fierce pass rush, a simplified coverage ( For him ) and Fitzsimmons playing next to him. His angles to the ball need work, He's not a hitter or wrap up tackler (I think he lead the team in missed tackles ) he doesn't turn his head around while running, and last year aside, he's not a splash play type of guy.

    He's not worth a 1st round option. Next year hopefully Colbert focuses on the DB's a bit more.
    There are two ways to read this statement:

    "I am very good at evaluating prospects".

    and

    "I made my mind up before seeing him play in the NFL, and I am not willing to change my opinion despite any evidence to the contrary".

    It's not as egregious as if he won the league MVP and you still think he sucks, but he's certainly beaten the expectations for a 3rd round pick IMO (even if he hasn't lived up to the hopes of a late 1st round pick).

    Re: missed tackles

    This was a problem for him 2 seasons ago, but I believe that his missed tackle rate was one of the lowest on the team last year. His problem IMO is almost no splash plays (INTS / PICKS).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northern_Blitz View Post
    "I made my mind up before seeing him play in the NFL, and I am not willing to change my opinion despite any evidence to the contrary".

    It's not as egregious as if he won the league MVP and you still think he sucks
    kinda like someone who predicted Lamar Jackson would be a total flop in the NFL and just can't bring himself to admit he was wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Northern_Blitz View Post
    There are two ways to read this statement:

    "I am very good at evaluating prospects".

    and

    "I made my mind up before seeing him play in the NFL, and I am not willing to change my opinion despite any evidence to the contrary".

    It's not as egregious as if he won the league MVP and you still think he sucks, but he's certainly beaten the expectations for a 3rd round pick IMO (even if he hasn't lived up to the hopes of a late 1st round pick).

    Re: missed tackles

    This was a problem for him 2 seasons ago, but I believe that his missed tackle rate was one of the lowest on the team last year. His problem IMO is almost no splash plays (INTS / PICKS).
    Oh no, I considered him as a 3rd round talent. A guy with can play some, but not worth a 1st round pick for sure. The Steelers gave him less man on man coverage. As a result he wasn't target with that type of coverage.

    If you're interested, here's my who I would have taken in 2017


    Your draft would have been what:


    1 ) FS Reid. I don't have access to background reports, so if there were character issues such Reid plans to be an anthem take a knee media guy, I'd pass and take another player. Until then he's a good cover guy, fast 4.40 speed and tall at 6'1". Great hands. A true sideline to sideline defender, for man, or zone. Not ideal for slot coverage, but so what we'd got corners for that. For the record, I did like Edumunds and mentioned him in my mock drafts, just not for round one. If it were round three, I would have applauded the pick.


    2 ) ILB Baker. Baker has rare speed for the position, a need a Williams is slow. Solid on the blitz, can force fumbles, and gets his hands on his share of passes as well. Good at making tackles behind the line of scrimmage. An OSU guy replaces an OSU guy, with Shazier offering pointers.


    3A ) QB Rudolph. I would have been all right with Rudolph in round two; he's a steal in round three! Same pick as the Steelers. A top deep passer, good on leading receivers. The fact is the Steelers, while Ben is playing will never have a top 10 pick, which is where the best prospects go, so this pick is a calculated one. We'll find out if Rudolph can play after 100 practices and a few pre-season games. I think he went to the right team. An impressive speaker with a good football mind, he'll work to get better.

    3B ) DT/NT Phillips. Strong as a bull yet very active vs. the run or pass, with unusual stamina and effort for a large player. This guy loves to play football and can get into the backfield. He's exactly what we need in 3 or 4 man fronts.

    5A ) Punter Dickson. I think he's a Pro Bowl punter, about 1.3 million cheaper than Berry. A Pin them back, drop it inside the 10-yard line, a guy who can boom if for instance, go for hang time type of punter. A really good punter can help a defense, which is the theme of my draft

    5B ) RB Samuels, Same pick, same round. A do it all type, who has some speed. A beast in the red zone. We can use a player like this. A Steeler power back, who can play some H back too. Decent speed. Very scheme flexible.

    7 ) WR Foster. A former five-star recruit for Alamaba, he did not pan out or get drafted. However, he's 6'2" tall with 4.4 speed and moldable traits for the coaches. Foster has rare upside for round seven. I wonder if he could return kicks if given the chace?

    https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2018/4/26/17287238/nfl-draft-results-2018-updates-live-by-college-conference



    My Steelers Draft grade 2018

    1 ) Safety. Edmunds.

    Value for round C
    Value for need B+
    Value for upside A
    What type of NFL player do I think he'll be? B- A starter.


    Overall grade B. A top sub-package player who can play nickel or dime ILB. should be able to cover most Tight Ends. An X-factor type in situational football. A Strong safety with good hands. Top character. I wonder how he'll be in coverage vs. NFL WR's and suspect the answer is so-so. I like Edmunds and would have been very happy with him in round two if we didn't pick a S or ILB in round one.



    2 ) Wide Receiver Washington. A decent player, but hardly a need. Wish we would have gone defense here. A bit of a one trick pony vs. those Big 12 defenses with the best deep thrower in college football helping him out.

    Value for round B
    Value for need D
    Value for upside B
    What type of NFL player do I think he will be? B-

    Overall Grade B- A deep ball type, but without blazing speed. Long arms for his size, physical, but not well refined on routes. With Brown playing at a hall of fame level and Ju-Ju possibly a Pro Bowl player, did we really need this pick? A 3rd WR is not too hard to find in NFL free agency or the draft later. Washington could have higher than normal bust potential, beating many of those Big 12 DB's.


    Quarter Back Rudolph.

    Value for Round A+
    Value for Need B+
    Value for Upside B
    What type of NFL player do I think he'll be? B-

    Overall Grade B+ I have been a fan of Rudolph's for a while and seen him play a few times. He's big, durable, accurate, and can lead his receivers. A top deep ball thrower. Decent on play action. Though not very mobile he ran for a lot of touchdowns in college. Went to the right team. Rudolph could have some of Tom Brady's work ethic and QB smarts; he handles himself well while speaking. We could have something here. Bottom line, we will not have a top 10 pick with Ben playing, so this is a calculated gamble for the future as Landry Jones is not the future and Dobbs is lucky to be on an NFL team.


    Offense Tackle. Okorafor.

    Value for round C+
    Value for Need B-
    Value for Upside C+
    What type of NFL player do I think he will be. C-

    This pick upset me. Okorafor did not test well. He was weak on the bench ( Just 19 reps, would be low man in his group at the combine ), slow 5.31 40, and had a lower than average shuttle time at 4.8. Didn't jump well either. Mayock says his film at Western Michigan wasn't very good. Maybe his size and the balance was good enough for college, but with below average work out numbers and a lack of a mean streak the NFL will be a big-time wake-up call. A soft-hearted big man, who I think will be pushed around in the NFL, not strong enough for a guard, not quick enough for tackle.

    Safety Allen.

    Value for round C
    Value for need B-
    Value for upside C-
    What type of NFL player do I think he will be C-

    A player I've seen in games, and at the senior bowl, Allen doesn't have NFL speed to play safety as a starter. 4.63 is too slow. Even if he ran a 4.59 on his pro day, Allen was badly beaten at the senior bowl. Not very instinctive either. He could be a dependable special team kick coverage person and be our 5th safety for a while. Not a good pick.


    Running Back Samuels

    Value for round B
    Value for Need B
    Value for upside B
    What type of NFL player fo I think he will be B-

    I liked this pick. Samuels can catch like a tight end or run with power like a fullback. He has decent speed and looks like a beast in the Red Zone. Conner can't seem to stay healthy. Samuels could be our #2 back and offer scheme versatility. I'm intrigued.


    Nose Tackle Frazier.

    Value for Round C
    Value for Need B
    Value for NFL Upside D
    What type of NFL player do I think he'll be? D+

    You'd like to say Joe Frazer has a puncher's chance. This guy doesn't make plays or see the field often. A wide body type who might add value as a situational run defender. He did not start at Alabama and played in less than 18 percent of the defensive snaps over last two seasons. His combine and pro day results were bland, so the upside isn't high. Unusually long arms for for NT. I think we could have done better here. He'll have a chance to make the team at a weak spot.
    Plan to spend 75 million in cap space in 2022 ( most in the NFL ) and use the 2 comp picks ( 3rd and 5th ) for a killer 2022 draft. We will be back hopefully with better coaching.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joel Buchsbaum View Post
    Oh no, I considered him as a 3rd round talent. A guy with can play some, but not worth a 1st round pick for sure. The Steelers gave him less man on man coverage. As a result he wasn't target with that type of coverage.

    If you're interested, here's my who I would have taken in 2017


    Your draft would have been what:


    1 ) FS Reid. I don't have access to background reports, so if there were character issues such Reid plans to be an anthem take a knee media guy, I'd pass and take another player. Until then he's a good cover guy, fast 4.40 speed and tall at 6'1". Great hands. A true sideline to sideline defender, for man, or zone. Not ideal for slot coverage, but so what we'd got corners for that. For the record, I did like Edumunds and mentioned him in my mock drafts, just not for round one. If it were round three, I would have applauded the pick.


    2 ) ILB Baker. Baker has rare speed for the position, a need a Williams is slow. Solid on the blitz, can force fumbles, and gets his hands on his share of passes as well. Good at making tackles behind the line of scrimmage. An OSU guy replaces an OSU guy, with Shazier offering pointers.


    3A ) QB Rudolph. I would have been all right with Rudolph in round two; he's a steal in round three! Same pick as the Steelers. A top deep passer, good on leading receivers. The fact is the Steelers, while Ben is playing will never have a top 10 pick, which is where the best prospects go, so this pick is a calculated one. We'll find out if Rudolph can play after 100 practices and a few pre-season games. I think he went to the right team. An impressive speaker with a good football mind, he'll work to get better.

    3B ) DT/NT Phillips. Strong as a bull yet very active vs. the run or pass, with unusual stamina and effort for a large player. This guy loves to play football and can get into the backfield. He's exactly what we need in 3 or 4 man fronts.

    5A ) Punter Dickson. I think he's a Pro Bowl punter, about 1.3 million cheaper than Berry. A Pin them back, drop it inside the 10-yard line, a guy who can boom if for instance, go for hang time type of punter. A really good punter can help a defense, which is the theme of my draft

    5B ) RB Samuels, Same pick, same round. A do it all type, who has some speed. A beast in the red zone. We can use a player like this. A Steeler power back, who can play some H back too. Decent speed. Very scheme flexible.

    7 ) WR Foster. A former five-star recruit for Alamaba, he did not pan out or get drafted. However, he's 6'2" tall with 4.4 speed and moldable traits for the coaches. Foster has rare upside for round seven. I wonder if he could return kicks if given the chace?

    https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2018/4/26/17287238/nfl-draft-results-2018-updates-live-by-college-conference



    My Steelers Draft grade 2018

    1 ) Safety. Edmunds.

    Value for round C
    Value for need B+
    Value for upside A
    What type of NFL player do I think he'll be? B- A starter.


    Overall grade B. A top sub-package player who can play nickel or dime ILB. should be able to cover most Tight Ends. An X-factor type in situational football. A Strong safety with good hands. Top character. I wonder how he'll be in coverage vs. NFL WR's and suspect the answer is so-so. I like Edmunds and would have been very happy with him in round two if we didn't pick a S or ILB in round one.



    2 ) Wide Receiver Washington. A decent player, but hardly a need. Wish we would have gone defense here. A bit of a one trick pony vs. those Big 12 defenses with the best deep thrower in college football helping him out.

    Value for round B
    Value for need D
    Value for upside B
    What type of NFL player do I think he will be? B-

    Overall Grade B- A deep ball type, but without blazing speed. Long arms for his size, physical, but not well refined on routes. With Brown playing at a hall of fame level and Ju-Ju possibly a Pro Bowl player, did we really need this pick? A 3rd WR is not too hard to find in NFL free agency or the draft later. Washington could have higher than normal bust potential, beating many of those Big 12 DB's.


    Quarter Back Rudolph.

    Value for Round A+
    Value for Need B+
    Value for Upside B
    What type of NFL player do I think he'll be? B-

    Overall Grade B+ I have been a fan of Rudolph's for a while and seen him play a few times. He's big, durable, accurate, and can lead his receivers. A top deep ball thrower. Decent on play action. Though not very mobile he ran for a lot of touchdowns in college. Went to the right team. Rudolph could have some of Tom Brady's work ethic and QB smarts; he handles himself well while speaking. We could have something here. Bottom line, we will not have a top 10 pick with Ben playing, so this is a calculated gamble for the future as Landry Jones is not the future and Dobbs is lucky to be on an NFL team.


    Offense Tackle. Okorafor.

    Value for round C+
    Value for Need B-
    Value for Upside C+
    What type of NFL player do I think he will be. C-

    This pick upset me. Okorafor did not test well. He was weak on the bench ( Just 19 reps, would be low man in his group at the combine ), slow 5.31 40, and had a lower than average shuttle time at 4.8. Didn't jump well either. Mayock says his film at Western Michigan wasn't very good. Maybe his size and the balance was good enough for college, but with below average work out numbers and a lack of a mean streak the NFL will be a big-time wake-up call. A soft-hearted big man, who I think will be pushed around in the NFL, not strong enough for a guard, not quick enough for tackle.

    Safety Allen.

    Value for round C
    Value for need B-
    Value for upside C-
    What type of NFL player do I think he will be C-

    A player I've seen in games, and at the senior bowl, Allen doesn't have NFL speed to play safety as a starter. 4.63 is too slow. Even if he ran a 4.59 on his pro day, Allen was badly beaten at the senior bowl. Not very instinctive either. He could be a dependable special team kick coverage person and be our 5th safety for a while. Not a good pick.


    Running Back Samuels

    Value for round B
    Value for Need B
    Value for upside B
    What type of NFL player fo I think he will be B-

    I liked this pick. Samuels can catch like a tight end or run with power like a fullback. He has decent speed and looks like a beast in the Red Zone. Conner can't seem to stay healthy. Samuels could be our #2 back and offer scheme versatility. I'm intrigued.


    Nose Tackle Frazier.

    Value for Round C
    Value for Need B
    Value for NFL Upside D
    What type of NFL player do I think he'll be? D+

    You'd like to say Joe Frazer has a puncher's chance. This guy doesn't make plays or see the field often. A wide body type who might add value as a situational run defender. He did not start at Alabama and played in less than 18 percent of the defensive snaps over last two seasons. His combine and pro day results were bland, so the upside isn't high. Unusually long arms for for NT. I think we could have done better here. He'll have a chance to make the team at a weak spot.
    Guys that do this for a living, and for money, say he's been improving his game each season and really stepped up in 2020.

    BIGGEST SURPRISE: TERRELL EDMUNDS, PITTSBURGH STEELERS
    Grade: 70.9

    Edmunds has run into his fair share of criticism in Pittsburgh as a weak link on a good defense after becoming the team's first-round selection in the 2018 NFL draft. That was especially true in coverage, where Edmunds earned a PFF coverage grade of 58.3 and allowed a passer rating of 120.8 on throws into his coverage in 2019. Both of those numbers have improved in Edmunds' third season out of Virginia Tech, jumping to 76.0 and falling to 76.2, respectively. He's still yet to turn 24, so his development is a good sign for a Pittsburgh defense full of talent
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    He is currently 15th in salary ranking for strong safeties. The average of those salaries is $5M. I expect that the Steelers will want a lower number and will work on a new contract after 2021 season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthCoast View Post
    Guys that do this for a living, and for money, say he's been improving his game each season and really stepped up in 2020.



    He is currently 15th in salary ranking for strong safeties. The average of those salaries is $5M. I expect that the Steelers will want a lower number and will work on a new contract after 2021 season.
    This wouldn’t surprise me at all.
    Tomlin’s coming back so what can you do?


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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthCoast View Post
    Guys that do this for a living, and for money, say he's been improving his game each season and really stepped up in 2020.

    He is currently 15th in salary ranking for strong safeties. The average of those salaries is $5M. I expect that the Steelers will want a lower number and will work on a new contract after 2021 season.
    i like edmunds and hope he has a great season

    it would help if he got some interceptions, he needs to be more of a playmaker

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